LynnNChicago Bethenny Ever After
Before writing today’s blog about Bethenny Ever After I did something that I never do, I read Bethenny’s Bravo blog. Get this opening line:
Well this week’s episode was chock-full. The drive out to the Hamptons was absurd, as is everything in my life.
This is NOT Bethenny’s writing and it’s ridiculous! ”Chock-full” who says that? Certainly not Bethenny Frankel!
On with the show, Bethenny begins with her Annual Skinnygirl celebration in Montauk and it was nice to see her playing with Bryn, once again we don’t see the inside of the home in Montauk. For you parents out there, do you remember the first time you put your child barefoot in the grass? Bethenny set Bryn down in the brown, drying grass with no shoes and her reaction was exactly as I remember with my children. Bethenny didn’t seem to realize that is why Bryn was just standing there in shock feeling grass on her feet for the first time. It was cute!
We all saw the previews and heard the news that Jason and Bethenny struggled through their second year of marriage and tonight we saw evidence of that. They seem annoyed with each other a lot of the time but I found it interesting that when Jason finally spoke up and gave Bethenny a hard time out on the lawn in Montauk, Bethenny curled up in his lap immediately afterward. I think Bethenny respects him more when he stands up for himself.
The argument back in their apartment in New York was a bit more frustrating to watch. Bethenny just seemed to want to argue and she wasn’t going to back down. She even interrupted Jason saying, “We don’t like each other”, that stopped Jason in his tracks. Jason complained that Bethenny doesn’t pick her battles, she never seems to let anything go and it’s starting to wear on Jason.
It is sad to see this couple arguing the way they are as they did seem really good for each other, what is worse is the previews for next week showing them arguing while holding little Bryn in their arms.
Jason arrived in Montauk separately with Bethenny’s two assistants in tow, they immediately announced that Jason hit a “pack”of raccoons on their trip and Bethenny can’t seem to understand why they didn’t stop and call 911. Really? What does she think the 
police will do? They are not trained vets and can’t save the animals, besides they have real crime to deal with, there is probably a New York Housewife driving drunk somewhere in the Hamptons. ohhh Snap!
The Hoppy’s got together with their designers, architect and builder to plan their new dream home, the plans look amazing and when it’s finished it will be gorgeous. I was really disappointed to hear Bethenny say at the end of the meeting, “The House that Skinnygirl built”. I think that was a bit of a slam at Jason and it could have gone without saying. While it is likely the truth, why remind Jason that it’s Bethenny’s money that built their new dream home? We now know that Jason is sensitive to the money issue after learning that Bethenny insisted he sign a pre-nuptial agreement and he’s not happy about it.
I will give Bethenny a lot of credit, she’s an Executive Producer of the show and has control of what goes on the air, she isn’t showing herself only in a good light. She seems to be showing the good and the bad, we have to appreciate that.
Bethenny’s therapy session was a set up for the “Lost At Sea” episode, her doctor explained his team building type couples therapy session that he does on a sailboat. The couple have to work together to keep the boat moving. If anyone has ever sailed on a sailboat, you know it’s not a matter of starting the engine and driving it like a car, there is a lot of work involved. Jason doesn’t seem thrilled with the idea of being “analyzed” by Bethenny’s doctor and Bethenny isn’t pushing him to go, she did tell him that if he doesn’t want to go, they won’t go. Apparently sea-sickness could be an issue but it seems Jason is more worried about what the doctor may have to say about Jason and their relationship.
Jason, like Ken Todd on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, doesn’t believe that therapy is necessary. Ken told us that he would rather speak to his wife Lisa about their problems directly. I’m sure Jason wishes he was able to have reasonable discussions with his wife 
but there are absolutely issues that aren’t being resolved because of the way that they communicate. There is so much sarcasm on both sides.
Outside of being lost at sea, it’ll be interesting to see how they do on this trip. We know they have a big fight just trying to get there, the previews show Jason walking away from the helicopter that is meant to take them to the sailboat.
Obviously this couple is still together today, they’re not separated or divorcing, we know this based on photos and Tweets that Bethenny sent out recently. They will get through this but it’s painful to watch this couple struggling so much at this time when they should be happy. They have everything they want and certainly everything that they need, they should be on top of the world.
Love Broker Premiere by BB
I have high hopes that Bravo will be offering a palatable matchmaking show this time around. It boggles my mind that they have stuck with Millionaire Matchmaker for as long as they have and seem to continue to be in love with Patti Stanger. Why, I cannot fathom as she is a coarse, insulting know it all who has an abysmal matchmaking record. I have to wonder if the millionaires on her show actually came to her matchmaking business on their own or if most of them were dug up by Bravo.
The Love Broker centers around Lori Zaslow and Jennifer Zucher, who run Project Soulmate, described on their website as “Manhattan’s premiere matchmaking service for singles who are serious about looking for a long, lasting relationship. We provide the most personalized approach to connecting clients with their true romantic partners for life – their soulmates.”
Here’s a link to their website. http://www.projectsoulmate.
Lori is married with two children and was featured as a Mom of the Week on the Big City Mom’s website. Here’s a link to her interview: http://www.bigcitymoms.com/
Lori meets with a client named David Fisher. He’s forty and ready to get married. They are talking outside, which is where she usually meets her clients. Not in the office. Her visual impression of him is that he’s dressed like a 16 year old. She wants to see him as David not Fish, which is what his friends call him. He doesn’t look like someone is on the fast track to a serious relationship. She asks to hold his hat and asks him who he is emotionally. He says people don’t usually take him seriously. He says he’s not afraid of commitment but it just hasn’t been right for him in the past. He wants someone social and outgoing. Looks wise, he doesn’t want someone tall because he’s only 5’9”. They start looking at girls walking by and critique them. Lori takes off her shoes when they start walking and he feels Lori is his size-type. He points out a couple of girls that are his type. He likes the petite ones. Now she has an idea of what he wants looks wise. He tells her he doesn’t want the perfect girl, he wants perfect for him.
Lori and her staff work out of her husband’s office. He is a fashion headhunter. He gets a little irritated with her when she interrupts his work and wants her to stay in her corner of the office. Jenn is her business partner and they are complete opposites. She is the business money person. Lori’s staff talks about who would be right for David. Their clients are men and they have a database of women to choose from. They select two women who they think might be a good match for David.
Lori meets one of the women they picked for David in person in a place outside the office. Her name is Samantha and she tells Lori she thinks she missed the boat in the marriage and relationship department. She tells her about some of her dating disasters like the man who dropped his pants in front of her. She’s doesn’t really date men her own height and Lori asks her if she would be willing to wear flats. She is reluctant but agrees. Lori tells her about David’s hat and she asks if David is bald. Already she’s judging David and Lori decides she may not be the right person for him.
Ivy shows up to meet Lori and she is only 4”11” and a half. Lori feels she is more David’s type. She has had several long term relationships so she is a relationship person. Ivy says she is not the standard New York chick. She tells Lori she’s open-minded when meeting new people and likes to give them a shot. Ivy has a strong personality and Lori thinks that’s what David needs.
Lori’s back at the office and tells Jenn Ivy is the best match for David rather than Samantha. Jenn tells Lori she has a meeting with a new client who seems to have an edge on the phone. His name is Fagan and he’s 29. He’s not generally into long term relationships and is into just banging. He keeps notes on his phone about his various girls. He tells her he won’t sleep with women who are pro-life in case they get knocked up. He’s not genuinely looking for true love and Lori will not take him on as a client.
Lori meets with David to prep him for his date. She’s disappointed in the way he’s dressed. No hat, but a headband. She tells him he needs to look like David, not Fish when he’s 
possibly going to be meeting the love of his life. She tells David his date is with “Izzy” and that she’s 4’11”. She tells him he should definitely ask her out on the second date on the first date. He’s afraid of rejection. Lori says it’s important to act interested in the second date on the first date. He says he doesn’t like to hug but she suggests he hug “Izzy” when he meets her and they practice it. Lori thinks the greeting is important. David hasn’t decided on a handshake or a hug. Lori is worried about David blowing the first impression. She tells him to present himself as David, not Fish.
Lori tells her husband that his assistant has arranged for Ivy to meet with one of David’s clients Nicole Miller to pick out a dress for the date. Her husband is not happy about that because now he will owe Nicole Miller a favor. Ivy is so excited about going to Nicole Miller to shop for a new dress. They meet with Nicole Miller personally and she helps her find a dress for dinner. Nicole wants Ivy to feel comfortable and confident. Ivy tries on 
several dresses and picks a cute black and white striped dress that fits perfectly.
Lori calls David 30 minutes before the date and tells him his date’s name. She describes what she is wearing so he will know who she is. David is wearing jeans, a v-neck sweater and sneakers to this date. He’s sitting there waiting for his date and she arrives. He stands and greets Ivy with a hug. They start the date with small talk. She loves seafood, he’s a vegetarian. He’s a runner and she hates running. She wears sweatbands and he does too. He wore his security sweatband around his ankle but didn’t take it out. She came there straight from work. They both do blackberries, not i-phones.
Ivy thinks David is very sweet and easy to talk to. He asks her if she dates a lot. She asks him why he thinks he’s still single. He says he doesn’t think he was ready. He has trouble telling Ivy what he’s looking for and he feels he’s not really being himself. The date ends at that point. David would go on a second date with her. Ivy tells Lori there was no connection and things were too on the surface and not deep enough. She didn’t think there was any chemistry and he didn’t make eye contact and he was very jittery. Lori is sad about what Ivy told her.
Lori meets with David later. He thinks the date went well and Ivy is his type of girl. He says he would go out with her again. She gives David feedback about what Ivy told her about the date. David admits he wasn’t great on the date and says he doesn’t know what kind of depth she wanted in the first hour of a date. Lori is not going to give up on David and the next date is going to get him closer to what he wants.
Lori and her husband go on a date and she spends time approaching women to see if they are looking for love. Her husband thinks it’s cool that she does that.
Lori and Patti Stanger are very different in their approaches to matchmaking. Lori’s 
couples meet on pure old-fashioned blind dates. They know very little or nothing about each other and have never met. Patty sets up cocktail parties and lets her clients pick out their dates from a cattle call Patti has held. Lori set up the dates, not the clients. Patti’s clients set up their own dates. Lori’s clients are males and do not have to be rich. Patti has male and female clients and they must be millionaires.
So far I like Lori’s approach better. I hope she doesn’t disappoint.
Thanks BB, great job, I also much prefer Lori and I loved the little digs she shot through the show like telling viewers they don’t do a “casting” etc. I think I’m going to like Lori, I know I already much prefer her to Stanker! :) Lynn~
Real Housewives of New York
Huffington Post is reporting that the Real Housewives of New York are protesting their long shooting schedule. Seriously? This season Ramona and Lulu both reportedly received raises bringing their season salary to $500,000 yet they are complaining when the season’s shooting runs a little long? Huffington Post says that they became frustrated that the “new girls” weren’t familiar with how to film causing everything to take much longer than initially anticipated but we all know that the season filming typically runs longer than what Bravo tells the cast.
After learning a bit about the way they film the shows, we now know that often times it is the cast themselves who cause filming to run long due to their frequent tardiness and demands for hair/makeup at the last minute. Here is what Huffington had to say:
The new season of “Real Housewives of New York” has yet to air, but things have already gotten so nasty between the new and returning cast members that one group has gone on strike.
“LuAnn [de Lesseps], Sonja [Morgan] and Ramona [Singer] refused to shoot any scenes at Fashion Week in February, complaining that production was dragging on well past the date that was agreed upon, so they went on strike,” one of the original cast members tells me. “Ultimately, they did return to tape a final few scenes, but it’s not fair that they should have to give up their time, with no extra pay, just so the slower new girls can learn how to tape a TV show.”
In past seasons, the New York ladies have cleared their schedules from September to February, while keeping in mind that taping could extend a week or two beyond that. But this year, Ramona, in particular, fought back against the extended filming schedule — leading the other ladies to follow her on the filming strike, the original cast member said.
“They might call it a strike, but the network sees it more as a little disagreement,” a Bravo insider tells me. “In the end, the ladies that didn’t make themselves available to shoot only hurt themselves, as it means the new girls will get extra airtime. What I can guarantee you is that if Ramona thinks she is going to win by messing with the new ladies, she can think again. These girls are killers.”
Bravo’s spokesperson would not comment on any story lines for the forthcoming season, but guaranteed that no one will be disappointed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/real-housewives-new-york-
strike_n_1321400.html?ref=entertainment&ir=Entertainment
I think we all know which fired housewife gave statements to Huffington, there is only one that remains in contact with Ramona and Sonja. We did see photos of the new Housewives at Fashion week, the three ladies pictured above better watch out, the newbies could outshine them. I’ll be watching!
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The HuffPost report has Jill Zarins “grubby little fingerprints” all over it. Why does she have to open her yap about any of the HWs…she is desperately trying to stay in the loop as if she still belongs there. I don fault these women for not wanting to film longer that they were scheduled to-no matter how much they make. When my husband works over time he gets paid double time or time and 1/2 so why shouldn’t they hold out for more?
As for Bethany saying “the house that SkinnyGirl built” I dont think it was a dig at Jason-I think it was the truth. Her success should not have any bearing on his manhood-it is fact.He knew he was marrying a woman who was driven to succeed and that is what she has done. I think it would be a disservice to women if she tried to downplay her role in their ability to purchase that apartment.
BB-great blog on Love Broker-I like her so much more than Patti-she treats people like..well…people.
Morning Jill. I disagree, I don’t think that was Jill’s comment. The only one who still speaks with Ramona and Sonja is Alex.
Morning Lynn-
What about Jill and Luann? I think it was Jill because the Ramona dig at the end-but of course I only speculate!!!
Haven’t you two figured it out yet? It’s not one of the fired housewives, its BRAVO! They are starting the buildup to the new season early. I’m sure there will be many more insider plants in the news before the new season starts. They want to create a BUZZ and it’s working. Lol.
Last year it was the brunettes against the blondes. This year the newbies against the establishment. Same formula, different cast.
Haha BB you are probably right-I wouldn’t be surprised if Bravo was the only source for the story!!!
ITA! This has Bravo’s “grubby little fingerprints” all over it! Gotta have that drama!
Since Rob Shuter wrote the article it does not have much credibility. He can not be right about somethings and a liar about others. He is just a slimy gossip monger that should be read with great skepticism. IMO.
I agree…the syntax has alex written all over it, she is the only one that intelligent.
Good morning. Great recap Lynn! I won’t go into a long diatribe about Bethenny’s show last night other than to say it looks like both Jason and Bethenny need to learn how to adjust to each other accordingly. Marriage is all about compromise and they both seem to have a problem with it. It took my husband and I a while to figure that out and I certainly didn’t have all the emotional baggage Bethenny has. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Jason have something to do with Skinnygirl’s success by helping out with the distribution problems? If I were Jason, that’s what I would have pointed out to Bethenny when she said that. I agree that Bethenny, as executive producer, could have made herself look better through editing, but chose not to. She said she was going to show the good and the bad and she’s true to her word.
BB_ I got that comment “Look what SkinnyGirl bought” like -not B, nor J Bought- but the concept, the bran name “SkinnyGirl” has done for them.
I felt uncomfortable, even annoyed, to witness their fights -so it did to me last season- I want Bethenny to be happy and enjoy what she has… I would think that Bethenny is boycotting herself to enjoy all the blessings in her life… she is so fortunate! I get that is not the same to marry in your 20′s than in your late 30′s with a lot of emotional baggage… c’mon, get over! We are new with every breath we take, leave the past in the past!
@ BB I will add this as well…Would SG have been so popular if “Bethenny Getting Married” never happened? I believe Jason was a BIG part of humanizing her beyond the “Greek Chorus” role she played on RHNY. He is a huge part of her success.
If she was such a business genius she would have been successful long before SGM. Bethenny Bakes was an utter bust and she had the exposure of RHNY at the time.
Go ahead Bethenny fans, let the ripping commence!
Bethenny had many fans prior to BGM… that’s why there was a BGM.
I also want to add that Bethenny filled a hole in the market with SGM. Not to take anything away from her hard work because it wouldn’t have happened without it, but I also think it’s a matter of Bethenny being in the right place at the right time so to speak.
good morning all, i haven’t seen the show yet but would skinnygirl be what it is now without jason’s work? he seemed to be very involved with it at the beginning so if it’s the house that skinnygirl built then it’s the house they built together. my mother and stepfather had a prenup and it made everything much easier after his death. the boys –stepbrothers his kids—- stayed close to my mom until her death. they are still there for me when i need them.
Thanks for pointing Jason’s part in the company out
I didn’t see it as a dig last night, more of a “baby we’ve arrived thru teamwork” statement as they are both involved with SG.
bb, lol we were posting at the same time.that’s why i lurk more that post. most times someone else can say what i’m thinking better and faster than i can. love your posts.
Great minds think alike! Lol. I like your posts too.
Hey guys! My first article has been published online, please check it out!
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Nice job Michelle!
Congratulations, Michelle. How exciting! For some reason I can’t get the link to load on my laptop, but I’ll try later.
Bravo Michelle! I liked it.
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Congratulations, we are all so proud of you.
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Waiting to see Million Dollar Listing begin this week. They had one of the cast members as the bartender on WWHL last night. He’s from a prominent Swedish family and had a pretty well known porn career in the past so I’m sure that’s gonna come out at some time.
And one of the others has been dating cougar Sonja Morgan. Interesting cast to say the least.
http://starcasm.net/archives/144380
Fredrik Eklund, the Swedish real estate mogul, has done nothing to hide his days in porn movies, so there’s not much that is still to “come out.” This is a pretty cool interview with him from the New York Times, published on November 12, 2010. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/fashion/14eklund.html He seems like a pretty interesting person.
(I’ve read a lot more about him in the Swedish press, but the NYT article sums him up rather neatly – so no need for me to translate anything.)
Totally agree. No way is Bethenny writing her blog. Disappointing. As for the episode, there were parts that I absolutely loved: any scenes with Beth & Bryn, the scene between Beth & Julie when they talked about the old apartment. I cannot imagine what it would be like to work for Bethenny. I’d prob tear my hair out.
Find it very interesting that Bethenny/Jill references are coming up. Meaning Jason saying next week “We’re done.” Also, as you wrote, Jason complained that Bethenny doesn’t pick her battles, she never seems to let anything go and it’s starting to wear on Jason. Sound familiar. Dear god, Bethenny don’t turn into Jill!!!!!!
It saddens me that Bethenny said that Jason has said cruel things to her in the heat of battle. These two desperately need to get out of the public eye. I commend Bethenny for showing it all, but I do worry about their marriage. The fact that when the therapist asked how she felt about Jason & Bryn being out of town, and she said she missed Bryn. He had to ask if she missed Jason. Hard to watch.
Good morning everyone!
Thanks for the blogs Lynn and BB.
I watched BEA and enjoyed it, of course not the arguing. I was like Julie, feeling uncomfortable. Other than that, I enjoyed B plan to set up her partner with Julie’s sister. I like that she only put them in the same place, but let them figure it out themselves. I loved the time B spends with her baby. The baby is soooo cute, walking and “talking”? Wow very cute. Also, on getting their new place ready, how exciting it must be for them. I hope she can enjoy more of this moments and Jason enjoys them also.
BB – I didn’t watch the new matchmaker, and I’m sad I missed. I recorded the very late rerun, and will watch later. I enjoyed the blog about it and you made it interesting, and making me want to watch it
The whole money thing. I don’t think she means to throw digs. I do think she needs to be a bit more sensitive tours Jason regarding the money, but I also think Jason needs to accept it and let it go. Both need improvement (I think we have said that
) but I can’t help to feel for Bethenny about this subject. SHE has struggled to get her business going and her name out there, SHE should be able to celebrate without having to feel sorry or bad about it. MHO. Love Bethenny, sorry. Also, I love when accomplish something, and it is sad when the woman has to hide her accomplishments and rewards in a case she offends someone. There are many articles about this everywhere, woman feeling guilt. How they shouldn’t, etc. So whe B sad that the apartment was bought by Skinny, I thought wow how cool was that!!?. Then for a quick second I thought “oh no, Jason might take offense” and that ruined it. I am hoping that he is already ok with all of this. I don’t want him to act like he is the one the money and spends it all, but I also want him to be okay with it. I want him to be supportive of B and know that is no less man because she makes money.
Don’t they work together now? Bethenny and Jason?
California…operative word ” should”. Yes she should be able to celebrate…no serious reason why she shouldn’t … But she won’t let herself..that girl has developed a serious chip on her shoulder. I hate self pity parties. And really her excuse that it’s her life and she’s committed to putting it all out there for everyone to see…I don’t want to see it a anymore. I prefer to enjoy her cocktails and hopefully her new show without all her drama.
LOVE your comments California35 and totally agree! Bethenny worked HARD for the success of SkinnyGirl! She is entitled to celebrate her achievement without having to worry that someone will take offense. She never thought she’d have EVERYTHING. In true Bethenny fashion, she is picking at it to make sure it’s real, but I’m sure she will find out that it is, and that it’s ok for her to happy. I’m so happy for her
Love your name. I am a Huge Moonstruck fan.
thanks!
I was wondering if anyone would know it was from that movie..even tho I spelled it differently to put my own name in there lol. I think I’ve watched that movie 100 times-never gets old
To Nathania:
I read your comments yesterday, in fact I read all of your comments on yesterday’s blog and I found them to be IMHO very accurate and informative. I would appreciate you sharing more about CODA(?). I have never been in therapy, I never developed an addiction but I very ritualistic in my daily life. It was my way of exerting control and lowering the volume in my head. Oh BTW I agree, not remember is a blessing onto itself. XO
Thanks nightlight and thanks for sharing your story. I tend to be pretty horrified once I press post and see how long my posts are, I have diarrhea of the mouth most of the time. I didn’t go back to the discussion yesterday and my goal is to try to work on not being so verbose. CODA is just codependents anonymous…I really fit into CODA best I think because I have serious boundary issues with my mother who is kind of on the borderline/narcissist spectrum. I have also gone to Al-anon and ACOA which I liked the best though those meetings are hard to find, ACOA is adult children of alcoholics, I am the grandchild of one, my parents both have other addictions but my mother has a lot of alcoholic behaviors because of being raised by her alcoholic father after her mother died.
I noticed you mentioned rituals and that is common to Obsessive Compulsive Disorder…OCD, it is understandable that you would have some manifestations in your adult life due to all the trauma you suffered. I think there are actually medicines that they use to help people with OCD if it gets to the point of being debilitating. I used to be this way growing up, I would count a lot and check locks over and over and stuff but thankfully it is not something that ever became an issue (I would trace squares in the air with my feet and count over and over…kind of compulsive stuff like that while I was in bed at night but it abated). It’s only been in the last five years that I have really found the terminology to describe my parents, both are survivors of severe trauma in childhood and both are developmentally regressed and lack the ability to empathize a good percentage of the time though they are nothing if not inconsistent. I found twelve step way before this but it only took me so far…until I found out about the Axis 2 disorders
( http://www.psyweb.com/DSM_IV/jsp/Axis_II.jsp ) and how my parents fit on that spectrum I really could not even begin to heal because I couldn’t separate out what was them and what was me or stop attempting to make sense of their behavior.
Nathania, I’ve read your posts for a very long time, and I have always found your perspective enlightening. It is inspiring to know that people can work on themselves, and learn and do something different.
“The house that SkinnyGirl built” !!! Not impressed. Didn’t she have to talk Jason into getting involved with production of “Skinnygirl” in Montreal ? And I seem to remember B begging and Jason reluctantly agreeing to step in and help with her production problems….before Jim Beam came into the picture .. am I wrong?
As I said last night in chat….not a big fan anymore.
I am not really getting what was wrong with her statement. She didn’t say “The house that Bethenny built”….she said “SkinnyGirl” and she is right! SkinnyGirl is more than just Bethenny and she undertstands that! It includes Jason and her partners also, all the people (including Julie) who helped make it all such a success. I don’t see Bethenny ever saying she did it all herself.
I agree. I didn’t take offense at the fact. The brand is paying for that house. SGM is a team of people and that includes Jason. I didn’t think anything other than that.
I have an issue when she says things like: “I’m glad “I” could afford us to fly on a private plane or “I”could afford us that…
Perhaps some people here are reading between the lines based on past episodes. I do recall that Bethenny’s insistence on using “me and mine” rather than “we and our” was a point of contention with Jason from early on in the relationship and it has continued to be an issue between them.
It is the house that Skinnygirl built. That’s a fact Without Skinnygirl, they would not have that nice apartment. And he did help her so why is everyone taking what she said as a slam since they both contribute?. Are you saying by her comment, she was taking all the credit? She may not have been. She may have been saying, Look what we did together. Why should she have to watch what she says every second?
See ya’ll later. Gotta go help my mom move her knick knacks for the carpet cleaners coming tomorrow. And she has lots of stuff. Ugh!
What you are saying is both of them worked hard on getting SkinnyGirl where it is, yet it is wrong for Bethenny to say “the house that SkinnyGirl built”!?!
Maybe I need to hear her acknowledge that Jason did have just as big a part in Skinnygirl … To me hearing her say it that way Implied it was all hers..after all she created the brand right? And she does refer to it as her brand not hers and Jason’s … IMO
My ex and I started a trucking company years go, based solely on his dream not mine. I was content with what we had but he suffered terribly from SMS. ..this company had to be bigger and better and people needed to know it was HIS dream that made it a success. Not once did he acknowledge me. .I would say that I did most of the grunge work as he was better at PR. To hear him talk it was all him. That was one of the reasons I left him and turned the whole thing over to him.
Now that he’s lost the company he blames me for divorcing him…go figure
So she should have said “the house that Skinny Girl built and by the way that includes Jason”? Isn’t that kinda stating the obvious and a bit redundant? IIRC, Bethenny made it clear that she couldn’t have done it without him (Jason). Also, if Bethenny separately referred to Skinny Girl and Jason then some would complain that she’s not including Jason with Skinny Girl or else why would she name each? I don’t know, seems like Bethenny is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.
Lynn, I am so glad that you answered Noelle’s inquiry re Twitter and WSL. I am on Twitter sporadically and was so disheartened to read those posts. I was in disbelief, but did not want to question anyone about it. Kudos to Noelle for bringing it up and you for clearing WSL. I am soooo relieved!!!
California, Nathania and Nighlight you are such strong women. We all carry garbage around from our past.
Congrats Michelle on your first post!!
XOXO
I’m back. That chore at Mom’s didn’t take as long as I thought. Of course I’ll have to go back and help her put everything back after the carpet cleaners are finished. I told her that when she was putting things back in place, to think about if she really wanted to keep it and if she didn’t I would be glad to take it to the Goodwill tomorrow. She already has set aside a few things to go, even a small table. I told her to ask the carpet cleaning guys if they knew anyone who wanted the stuff. Sometimes they will take it away for you if it’s not against their company policy. Sometimes they will do it anyway on the sly. I’ve gotten rid of a lot of stuff like that.
I too disagree with that “the house that Skinnygirl built” was a slam. In my household, we say things like this all the time, referencing not a company but a book I’ve authored. For example, when remembering a vacation made possible by a book advance, we call it “the X trip” (with X being the title of the book), and two of our dogs are named for book projects as well. And this doesn’t offend my husband (of 33 years, btw) at all. He’s proud of what I’ve done and happy that we merge our incomes, instead of having a “his versus hers” approach to our finances.
She actually was more specific and said, “The house that Skinnygirl BOUGHT” which is completely all about money and not success or hard work. Money is what paid for that apartment (wasn’t it 5 mil) and certainly Jason didn’t do that with his mystery job. I notice he gets snarked at on other unnamed boards with the carrying of the briefcase and work slacks but no one seems to knwo where he’s going. Is he her employee or not seems to be the question.
Thanks for giving me the exact wording. I didn’t watch the show, so I was just going by what people here have said.
But I still don’t see a slam in this remark. My barn has always been “the barn that X built” because my book money paid for it, not my husband’s paycheck, and my husband’s okay with that. I guess an insecure guy might not feel this way, but Jason strikes me as someone whose sense of self worth isn’t tied to his financial worth.
I also don’t think it matters whether Jason works or not. There have been times when I supported my husband financially, times when he supported me financially, and neither of us felt any less of an equal partner in the marriage just because we weren’t contributing $$$ to the partnership. Marriage is about so much more than money.
And if Jason works for Bethenny, that’s okay too, as long as they can switch back and forth between a business relationship and a personal one without damaging either relationship (or both). But this isn’t easy, and it’s especially stressful for newlyweds who are still struggling to establish boundaries etc.
I must say Martina Navratilova looks great for 55.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20576251,00.html
Hi Sparkel BB Viki5 & Calif
Happy afternoon!
In light of ilana Devil Slut calling Miss B likewise and Lynn& I “alsowise”
I was eager to hear your thoughts of women calling women sluts on the news.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/laura-ingraham-blasts-the-view-when-i-was-called-a-slut-barbara-walters-laughed-it-off/
Love ur minds! Feel so fortunate to have my Lynnfam share their wisdom. What I like just as much is that we DON’T call each other names! Its called intelligent conversation vs a mud fight. But ladies share and pigs wallow in mud.
Hummm. Am I calling names?
It’s the classic “do as I say and don’t say as I do”. I’ve never been a fan of those nasty “View” ladies. They talk over each other, they are obnoxious, and they talk about politics like they understand it. Politics is complicated, back and forth, and every politician tends to be sneaky. I’ve become an independent in recent years because I’m not a fan of either party with the increased conservatism of the republican party and the increased liberalism of the democratic party. But for liberals to get upset at conservatives for the same thing they do pisses me off, and vice versa.
But with regard to the article, there is definitely a double standard with the “View” ladies reaction to Limbaugh and the remarks the obnoxious Joy Behar made about that conservative talk show host.
I really can’t stand any of those “ladies” on the View.
I agree, that’s why I’ve become an independent too. It just amazes me how one party will say such nasty things about what the other party is doing and then turn around and do the same thing themselves. I also do not like the View and think Joy B is the worst of them all. I do not for a minute think that celebs are experts in politics and just wish they’d keep their opinions to themselves, I watch them for entertainment not their political views….there is no way I’m voting for someone just because Tom Hanks or Brad Pitts or whoever agrees with their politics, I can make my own decision.
my boss is a elderly lady and she was telling me about when she was young her families friends used to come around for dinner and they would talk politics/current events and whether they agreed or disagreed the was none of todays ugly cutthroat, mudslinging,name calling. How sad is it that we have devolved so much as a society that we cannot accept an opinion contrary to our own gracefully and with tact.
@ MichelleinNY Agree completely. One correction, Joy Behar didn’t call Laura a slut, Ed Shultz of MSNBC did. Laura was saying the gals on the view didn’t have her back and that is how the discussion of JB calling BW a slut.
The View is a joke. They’re all “useful idiots”. Google that phrase and you’ll understand.
I learned something today. Thanks Adios!
My pleasure Tmarsh101. If you liked that google Sal Alinski. You’ll be reading for days!
Idiots? Yes, Useful? Debatable (but I understand what the term means).
@ MTH Lmao!
Thanks for the new phrase. Easier for some to swallow than ‘that asshole on tv’
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/will-obama-super-pac-return-misogynist-bill-mahers-million-dollar-donation_633200.html
Proof of the double standard if any is even needed.
I don’t like either Maher or Limbaugh. I do care that women get the best of health care including the all important birth control. This is not the dark ages and women are regular people just as important as men.
And birth control pills are a lot cheaper than having an unplanned baby and less heartbreak (teen moms message).
And Nathania I saw this comment from you and loved it along with your terminology yesterday.
” don’t take credit for my own survival, I feel I owe that to recovery and although I have had two minor relapses I feel that I have never lost contact with the spirituality I gained when I entered recovery…”
Once you have government paying for birth control there is no stopping government from forcing you to take it or withholding it. It is a slippy slope and once freedoms are lost they are never recovered. But this is all a mute point. It is just a change of subject. To force people to pay for things they object to using”women’s health care” as the entry point. If women’s health was the real issue why not mandate free mammograms? Because it is not the real issue. This is all a staw dog to try to get the women’s vote back. No one ever had a issue with a woman’s right to birth control, no one. It was brought up in a debate months ago, out of the blue, to set the stage for this fight. The media is so involved in all this it scares me. I am afraid for this country with people unable to think for themselves anymore.
Viki – Nobody was asking that government provide birth control. They are asking that thier insurance companies cover it under their health plan. For which they pay premiums. This is not a tax payer issue.
“For which they pay premiums” The “they” in that statement is us. We Pay. It is not free. The governemnt is demanding “we” pay for birth control. We=Taxpayers. Eventually, when National Heath Care really kicks in you will see how government=healthcare=taxpayers. I am done with this issue.
whoa……it seems a little unfair to post your own opinion on an issue and then state “I’m done with this issue.”
The “they” in MAMAZ statement are the employees themselves who are paying their (said employees) premiums. That’s the way I read it anyway.
smoke and mirrors to push keystone under the radar.
@ Donna Bingo! Among so many other things!
No one is denying anyone healthcare OR birth control. We just are not paying for it. Period. End of story.
Tell me why, in this age of feminism and how we are suppose to be self-sustaining and strong women, a woman (30 yrs old to boot) can go before Congress and ask for them to provide her birth control because she can’t figure out how to afford it on her own.
Who is we? Health insurance is for such things. Why cover viagra and not birth control? Oh wait…
I don’t want politics here so I’ll check back in tomorrow. Have a good afternoon.
I’m going with you, lovemamaearth. Don’t want to discuss politics here either.
Adios, not to be argumentative but I really like Jon Stewarts take: “To the people who are upset about their hard-earned tax money going to things they don’t like: Welcome to the f*cking club,” Stewart said. “Reimburse me for the Iraq war and oil subsidies and diaphragms are on me!”
I love John Stewart ♥
But I agree. That’s part of living in a society–you pay taxes. Do I agree that my tax dollars are going to someone who can work but would rather be a stay at home mom? Nope, I hate it. Do I like that tax dollars go towards things like planned parenthood? Yup. You can’t have all or nothing.
Hi erizzle…..nice to see you back. Hope all is well with you and yours.
Excuse me? Your tax dollars pay for me to be a stay at home mom? I don’t think so. Are you talking about people who receive welfare? If so, than say that instead of letting your “hate” for stay at home moms cloud your judgement.
She didn’t go before Congress and ask them to provide her with birth control although that is what Rush Limbaugh would like you to believe.
Just curious: did you read/listen to Sandra Fluke’s testimony or are you getting your information from media coverage?
“Slut or slattern is a term applied to an individual who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous”
It isn’t a very nice word but it is descriptive of certain types of behavior, male or female. I am getting so tired of all this PC stuff, you can’t say this or that but wait, maybe one person can say something as long as they are part of some group, then it is okay. It is too hard to figure all the rules out since they seem to only apply to some people at particular times. The word slut does have a meaning. If someone is behaving as a slut, it is what it is. Maybe not polite to say it, perhaps I wouldn’t use the term but we should stop policing other people’s language and trying to put hate in their hearts when it isn’t there. I personally think if you are having so much sex you can’t afford to pay for your own protection and want everyone else to foot the bill then you could be considered sexually promiscuous.
You can get the pill for 9bucks at Target. The cost of ONE movie ticket. I bet Fluke spends at least $9 on something other than food, gas and lodging a month.
I have to respectfully disagree with both of you concerning Mr. Limbaugh’s remarks.
Ms. Fluke was testifying about her friend’s medical condition for which an MD prescribed birth control pills. Without the contraception which she could not afford she would most likely lose the ability to conceive.
And the suggestion that a person using birth control pills is promiscious is offensive. Many married women use birth control pills. (I do and I can assure you that I am not promiscious outside of my marriage and not nearly promiscious enough in my marriage my husband would tell you! )Many dermatologists prescribe them for fighting acne. Often to teen girls. I would not like someone to call my teen a slut if her dermatologist put her on birth control.
Nobody was asking for free contraception. They were asking that it be covered by their health insurance. JUST LIKE VIAGRA IS!!! Which Mr. Limbaugh takes. His health insurance covers his sexual activity. A man on his fourth wife! But he doesn’t think a woman’s contraception should be covered? Don’t you see a huge double standard there?
I cannot believe that you can get birth control pills at Target for $9. My insurance does cover my contraception. I pay $20 a month for generic birth control pills with insurance.
“And the suggestion that a person using birth control pills is promiscious is offensive” That is not what I said and I think you are know that is not what I said.
“Nobody was asking for free contraception. They were asking that it be covered by their health insurance” There is no such thing as “free”. If your insurance covers a product or procedure, you are paying for it. Period. Insurance companies are in the business of making a profit, they are not going to give things for free.
Many insurance companies do offer coverage for birth control. Some don’t. If it is something important to you and you can’t afford to pay for it yourself, why enroll in a Catholic university and demand coverage? And how the heck do you afford college and can’t pay for your pills/condoms?
We will disagree and that is all there is to it. I don’t expect anything for free and prefer to take responsibility for my own actions and pay my own way. I value my freedom more than government handouts. But that’s just me.
You don’t have to be Catholic to go to the University, though.
I understand it’s a school based on Catholic values, but there is no requirement of the faith to become a student in any capacity. I think therein lies the contention. You are at a university, you are provided with insurance that you pay for as part of your fees, and you are barred from procuring birth control, even when 100% medically required because it has other uses as well that aren’t in line with those values. Have they barred pain killers? Those can be used in a manner not in line with values, same as ADHD medications, and other psychiatric medications.
I don’t think her arguments went to making it available outside every classroom, but in those instances when it is medically required as more than just a contraceptive or someone takes strides to get the perscription, it should be covered.
“And the suggestion that a person using birth control pills is promiscious is offensive.”
It’s not what you said- but it is what Rush Limbaugh said.
I think it’s an enormous double standard for Catholic employers to cover Viagra under their plans but not contraception. The woman Ms Fluke was testifying about had to have an ovary removed and is going through early menopuase. She will most likely never bear a child. I find it very sad that it could have easily been prevented if only she could have continued to afford her medicine. I find it even sadder that Mr. Limbaugh would twist her testimony into something it was not.
I understand the insurance companies are for profit organizations. But I don’t see what that has to do with a government handout?
@ Mamaz ED is an actual medical issue and Viagra should be held in the same category as any other off label use for BC.
“There is no such thing as “free”. If your insurance covers a product or procedure, you are paying for it. Period. Insurance companies are in the business of making a profit, they are not going to give things for free.”
I agree and I do not want to pay for Mr. Limbaugh’s Viagra.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/03/05/attention-media-walmart-and-target-have-been-offering-9-birth-control
Is this with insurance or without?
And what if those two brands aren’t compatible with with your particular medical needs? Not everyone can take the same medications.
Mamaz, under the current plan the University states that Birth control pills are covered if there is a medical condition on the patient. So, there goes her argument.
Mrs. Fluke recently opened a Twitter account. The first person she started following is Rachel Maddow, Ed Schulz ( who called Laura Ingraham the same as she was called ) Michael Moore, House Democrats etc etc. She is a democrat with an agenda.
Wait, that wasn’t painfully obvious from the get go? There’s always an agenda.
she’s also a woman with a womb. Her political affiliation really doesn’t matter unless she’s a man, or if the resolution of the issue was only going to apply to democratic women.
So when will a contraceptive pill be developed for MEN? While gals wait, one must ask: Is this guy “sponge-worthy?”
I’d rather be one the one taking it. I couldn’t trust something that important to someone else.
My reply poofed. The short version is as empowered women I think we shouldn’t have to beg for anything/anyone to pay our bills. I choose to pay $56 after a $26 rebate from the bc company itself for them for acne and other reasons. My insurance doesn’t cover the brand I use. I choose to not switch because I like what I have. I justify it as a nice dinner out, and worth me spending the money that way. I can’t justify what she was called, but it she really wanted them she’d plan her money around it.
Personally, I don’t care if you use those words, phrases. Everyone has free will and we are very fortunate that we have freedom of speech in this country, even hateful speech is protected. But I don’t use them because I truly believe each time you use hateful words, it takes a little bit of your soul. If that makes any sense. Forget PC how about a little of the golden rule? Using those type of words dehumanize and makes it harder to remember that this is an actual person.
I have felt this way at times (the soul-taking thing). I think there is truth to that. They are assaultive and I have to watch it because I grew up around so much vile speech and bitterness. I can cuss like a sailor but I am trying to lessen it because I think there is truth to that.
“I personally think if you are having so much sex you can’t afford to pay for your own protection and want everyone else to foot the bill then you could be considered sexually promiscuous.”
Except not all women are on the pill for sexual purposes. I took it to relieve cramps. I was in so much pain that I was missing school and work. BC pills made my heavy periods and horrible cramps almost non-existant. Some women also take the pill to relieve pain caused by endometriosis. I also have a cousin who started taking the pill when she was 14 because it was the only thing that cleared her acne. And my pills cost $32 a month, not $9. There are only certain pills I can take due to my high blood pressure. Women aren’t asking the pill be paid for the they can go have lots of sex, they are asking for medical/health reasons.
I agree. I started taking the pill when I was 16 for bad acne, and going a step farther, if the first round of hormone therapy didn’t work, I would have to go onto birth control in order to get pregnant.
Health insurance coverage doesn’t equate to the goverment endorsement of getting busy anytime, any place. If anything, health insurance coverage of viagra is more of a government endorsement of sexual relations than birth control.
Hey glad to see you back! Missed ya! Hope all is well
I’m alive, so hey, can’t complain! Hope things are good with you!
so crazy to me, women want birth control and get judged, women don’t use it and have abortions and get judged, women don’t use it and are single mothers on gov’t aid and get judged
I am starting to think it’s not the action but the actor that is the problem. Basic misogyny, ssdd.
In Seattle, there was a transit project (now completed): the South Lake Union Trolley; locals who were against the trolley project referred to it as the S.L.U.T, and printed (and wore) t-shirts that read: “I ride the S.L.U.T.”. The project was renamed.
I want that t-shirt!
Sorry wsl I tried but can’t even watch that woman or those three chuckleheads. I don’t think that it serves any persuasive argument to stoop to derisive name calling. That being said, I realize the difficulty of doing so (see above). It muddies the issues and incites the anger of those whom you wish to persuade. But then, perhaps, when you’ve gotten to the point of name calling, you care less about persuasion and just need to strike out at that which emotionally offends you. Or your agenda may be to shock, incite, and be provocative for monetary and/or other, more hidden agendas. IMO, Rush, Iguana, and all of FOX fall into this last category.
Nice post disgrazia
I agree. I don’t think this was a women’s issue at all but an agenda. Seriously.Rush.Retire.
IA is a child and does childish things to get attention. ( I still do not understand the facination —boggles the mind)
That said, I actually know some sluts. I would never use that term for another woman. A guy? Maybe. Never a woman.
I hate both parties. I’m fiscally conservative, socially liberal, and neither party appeals to me at all. There’s too much bad with whatever good they have to offer.
The entire government needs to be liquidated. Get rid of every last one of them. Start fresh, put term limits, and bar the possibility of being a career politician. Get some real people in there who actually care about the country, and not about whether they get re-elected, what I do with my uterus, what my assisant does his in his bedroom with his husband, and how much money I make.
I agree. I don’t feel that either party is concerned about the state of the country. They are only concerned with holding onto power at our expense.
well put E-rizzle. I couldn’t agree more
Sing it sister.
Pardon my typo.
Betheny should just go to therapy and apply what she is being told there. Therapy is not just a segment of her TV show. She needs to work her demons out and enjoy living her life and let go of what is holding her back. Jason seems like a wonderful guy that complements her very well. Yes, he was not brough up middle class not wealthy and in different social circles that she is used to…. but don’t slam the guy for that. I think there lies many of their problems. They can be easily solve is she is willing.
She has a GREAT therapist, I think he is amazing…I hope she appreciates him and really takes it in. It’s amazing he manages to be therapeutic with the cameras rolling…he seems uncomfortable but he stays on point.
Just wanted to post a Ty again to the person who wrote about “Jack and Jill” last week or so. Mom and I are 12 minutes in and laughing our butts off already! We’re on break since the baby nephew dialed us on his dads cell so mom is now chatting with bro. Just figured I’d share the thanks again since it’s On Demand now! Oh gosh can totally see Zarin as the inspiration! Lol
That was me. Glad you are getting a good laugh. We were laughing our butts off, too. Laughter is good for the soul
It’s @ Redbox too–just got it—
@ Mamaz I will glance over the fact that you sideways called me a liar and explain that if you are uninsured you can get the generic for $9 at Target. If you choose to not believe that, fine with me. Why don’t you call your local Target to confirm. I did.
Let me explain what this is about. It is about a re-election campaign looking to divert people from the fact that the country is broke and we have Nero fiddling while Rome burns.
This was planned last fall. I am sure Ms. Fluke’s roll as the useful idiot was identified back then. They brought this issue to the limelight by that out of the blue question on contraceptives during the debate. We all know that George Stephanopolous is a White House useful idiot.
Then they came out with the HHS announcement. While Biden and other insiders told Obama this would create a firestorm, I think that was Obama’s objective. Then he “compromised” by saying that insurers will be forced to offer contraceptives FREE and the useful idiots in the media praised him as they put on their usual kneepads to “assume the position”.
Of course the media does not inform the public that Obama has NO constitutional authority to interfere with the private contracts between 2 private parties: the employer paying for the group plan and the insurance company offering the group plan.
Then the Dems create this show on the Hill when the Republicans properly tried to frame the debate on the consitutional over-reach of the Federal Government interfering with employer employee relationships with Churches and their employee groups. They switched their listed expert to testify with Ms. Fluke to avoid the 72 hour vetting period where her backgound could be looked at. The GOP in charge of the committee ruled that a law student has no expert knowledge to discuss the separation of the church and state issues in the mandate. So the Dems walked out in a theatrical flourish. Again, all planned in advance.
Then useful idiot is invited to sham hearing that was not a real hearing and she whined about the cost of contraceptives with disputable cost figures and all heresay testimony, unsupported with facts and other documentation. The useful idiots in the media lapped it up and presented this poor victimized young co-ed to the public. Instead she really was a long time gender studies and reproductive rights advocate who was 31 years old or so.
Thank you! Beautifully sums it up!!
Oh for God’s sake I didn’t call you a liar sideways or anyways! I found it hard to believe. I read the link which Viki posted. It was a big help. I do intend to ask the pharmacists at both WalMart and Target.
And thanks but I don’t need you to “explain what this is all about”. I am an educated woman with a Masters Degree. Just because I don’t agree with you’re point of view doesn’t make me stupid.
Hey MamaZ, are you in Pa? I thought I saw you post that before. I didn’t look up Target or Walmart, but I did look up Giant Eagle. If you can get a script and sign up you can get The one for $13. They even offer generic breast cancer drugs. Thank gosh some pharmacies care http://www.gianteagle.com/Main/PharmacyDrugProgram.aspx?cntid=182262
I actually do appreciate you explaining it clearly and succinctly! Thanks and well done!
maybe the media ‘lapped it up’ because it is a relevant issue. Health care has been in the media since the Clinton presidency and it’s an issue Americans care about. It is so strange to me that there is such a hew and cry from anti-abortion conservatives about contraception because it seems like they would want to be preventing as many abortions as humanly possible. I know I don’t ‘get’ that to some people contraception is the same as abortion but a couple of cells vs. a bloody 3rd trimester fetus who some argue felt pain while being suctioned into pieces is no comparison to me, or the fate of being a dumpster, bathroom, or bustop baby someone just might find in time but usually not…if the latter is what conservatives prefer to the former (contraceptive prevention of pregnancy) then I have to wonder where the proclaimed ‘compassion’ went if it was ever there in the first place.
Amen!!!!!
Nathania, it is about the Federal Goverment intruding in the Catholic Church business. It’s not about contraception as the church position in that matter is quite clear.
Everyone is making a big deal over the “house that Skinny Girl built”. What if Jason had a successful company and said “this is the house that Jason Inc built”, nobody would think twice. It’s just a double standard men can be successful and brag and be happy for their success but women should still defer to a mans feelings. What a horrible message to be sending to our sons and daughters. Should I only be proud of my sons success and not my daughters because someone may feel bad?
good point!
@ NightLight95 See my response to Mamaz. This is NOT about healthcare or birth control. That is what they WANT you to believe but you have to dig a little deeper to get to the truth. It is about the State telling religious institutions that they HAVE to go against the teachers of their church.
Yes, it is Mrs. Fluke is a democrat and birth control pills are covered for people with medical conditions under the current plan the University has.
I’m not denying the agenda here, but I find it ludicrious that a university can claim religion for anything, but accepts members of any faith and more gladly accepst tuition funds from those of another faith. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either you go all out and are Catholic and only Catholic, or you give a little. You can’t cling to religion for your reasoning, then turn around and accept tuition money from the Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist kids, or accept federal student aid.
The University cannot turn away people of other religion and/or atheist. That would be discrimination. Perhaps, people of other faith should reconsider attending a catholic university and/or accept that when attending them they have to follow their guidelines. There are thousands of other universities to chose from.
Is it any less discriminatory that women should have to shop around for a university provided medical insurance plan that provides for their reproductive needs, and not just base it on the schools reputation and curriculum? Men don’t have these issues. They can get condoms no problem, no perscription required.
I’m just playing devils advocate, btw. I have nothing against the school. I got into Georgetown Law, but didn’t want to move to DC. The school does require religious classes for graduation, by the way. At least at the undergraduate level.
No that is not what I’m saying. You are asking a Catholic University to provide something that is agains doctrine. My point is if you chose to go there then don’t whine about their policies. They are very clear. It is a matter of knowing where and what you are getting yourself into when you are “shopping” for a university.
Agreed, but how many people include insurance on their list while shopping?
If this is so important to potential students and they are smart enough to apply and get accepted at a University, then you should be smart enough to know to ask or find a way to get the answer to that important question.
I’d just like to see students at these schools that are against these issues to give back their Pell Grant money, for starters, and quit their work study jobs. I don’t know if there is a kick back to the school for gov’t aid but schools that are going to discriminate in policy like this should not be taking any money from the federal gov’t for themselves or their students.
Not getting into this mess, but as a graduate of Georgetown, you needed to take classes in Religion, NOT religious classes. I took Atheism and Intro. to Western Theology. You could take classes in Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. all which count toward your grad. requirement.
That’s what I meant. My phone is awesome at making me look more dumb!
E-rizzle
“Men don’t have these issues. They can get condoms no problem, no perscription required.”
What does that have to do with this issue? Women can buy condoms as well. Without a prescription, even! We don’t have to men bash to make a point. They should ALL be buying condoms, BC doesn’t protect from STDs.
OMT Why aren’t these sexually active women asking the men they are sleeping with to help foot the bill? If they can’t be open enough to ask their sex partner to come out of pocket for BC well, call me old fashioned, maybe they shouldn’t be having sex with them.
Amen.
and what? the guys, who we ALL know are going to be having sex regardless of whether it is with a girlfriend or not, should just sleep with strippers, prostitutes and one night stands they meet in bars? I am not following your logic…if she is sleeping with someone she can’t ask for money she’s a slut? the word for someone who sleeps with someone and asks them for money is whore. There is such implicit judgement in that point of view where we jump from the issue of insurance coverage for a medical need (which conservatives seem to find invalid since the default is male according to the bible and men don’t have a womb) to casting aspersions on the woman’s character or the soundness of her judgement. It’s no one’s freaking business what the status of her relationship is with her partner, it’s irrelevant to the issue at hand. Skirting dangerously close to the typical knee-jerk judgements about rape, ‘she asked for it’, ‘she shouldn’t have been there’, ‘how was she dressed’, etc. It doesn’t matter.
I don’t think the simple fact that it is ‘discrimination’ is what keeps them from doing it. It’s because they would fall afoul of federal regulations, for one thing. They are only discriminating to the extent that they actually can, which if you are of that mindset I suppose is natural, but hopefully the will have to change their ways on this too.
Lynn and BB – thanks so much for the recaps – I was watching The Voice and the WTA for the Bachelor last night so I missed both shows – you know that old expression – some people see the glass half full, others see it half empty – well I think B sees it as half full, but cannot trust it – I think she sees that half full glass of her life, filled with goodness, love and acceptance, and is terrified by it so she constantly tries to minimize it, afraid that saying that she does indeed have a glass half full, that someone – or something – will come along and knock that glass right over taking away all of the good inside – she’s a strong girl, a good girl, but these blessings in her life scare her because they are so precious –
as for the new matchmaker – anyone is better than that foul woman Patti – but – I have to say – the commercials I saw were a turn-off to me – she seemed like Patti lite – but – we shall see –
as for The View – I have never watched and never shall – they are all foul -
An audience member barfed today during the taping of The View…surely this must be a common occurrence…
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I needed that laugh so much!
LOL
JTS Thank you for the chuckle!
I can’t stand the coffee clatch shows…they are all insulting to women in my opinion. Maybe I am just weird, but who does that?
p.s. I can’t remember for the life of me the right spelling of ‘clatch’ I know I am way off, and I used to know how to spell it.
Nathania. It’s klatch with a “k.”
For future reference. Lol!
@ Mamaz. Here is the transcript. http://current.com/1mhv4kc
Here is a hysterical outtake that is really hard to swallow, these are allegedly (if these people even exist) LAW students:
This is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends. A
woman’s reproductive healthcare isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority. One student
told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered, and she assumed that’s how
Georgetown’s insurance handled all of women’s sexual healthcare, so when she
was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor even to be examined or tested for sexually
transmitted infections because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover
something like that, something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health.
I normally do not discuss politics , religion , or my favorite sexual position with folks.. LOL
So in case people want to know what this chick was talking about here is the transcript of her speech…
http://www.buzzfeed.com/boxofficebuz/transcript-of-testimony-by-sandra-fluke-48z2
And YES.. I have been a Reg Ind. since I was old enough to vote… and issues like this piss me off…How bout some help for people who have worked for 40 yrs and now find themselves unable to even afford health insurance and are caught in a catch 22… Unable to recieve req. meds to improve the quality of their lives so they can go back to work…… But yet they have hearings on birth control…!!!!!!
What has happened to MY COUNTRY !!!!
Sad, isn’t it?
If it makes you feel any better, it wasn’t a “real” hearing;)
Subject: The cannibal’s story
A cannibal was walking through the jungle
And came upon a restaurant operated by a Fellow cannibal.
Feeling somewhat hungry, he sat down and looked over the menu….
*+** *Tourist:
$8.00
*+*Broiled Missionary:
$10.00
*+*Fried Explorer:
$12.50
*+*Baked Democrat or Grilled Republican: $100.00
The cannibal called the waiter over and asked,
“Why such a high price for the Politicians?”
The cook replied, “Have you ever tried to clean one?
They’re so full of shit, it takes all morning.”
ROFL
@ Diva That both repulsed me and made me laugh at the same time, strange combo! Lol!
Adios.. it’s like having sweet AND salty bugles all in the same bag…!!!!
I JUST got that sent to me yesterday..I couldnt resist..had to share….. winks
Diva
It really was weird, lol! I had to push my revulsion down w/a gulp while simultaneously chuckling. Lmao!
It kills me that so much of the time the same insurance policies that deny coverage for birth control for women (I have heard that the same policies usually cover vasectomies) do cover drugs like Cialis and Viagra. Oh…the double standard.
@ E-rizzle These people know going in that they are going to come under the auspice of the Catholic church. If they do not want to be under that auspice they have (for now) freedom to go wherever their little hearts desire.
If one goes to a Catholic University that provides birth control for their medical issue, i.e. cramps, acne, ovarian cysts, or in the case of my niece who was diagnosed with Ovarian Cancer (17 yr old) and as a part of her post operative regimen along with chemo, birth control pills, these should be provided to the student.
The decision of the insurance company to deny the woman discussed needed birth control pills for her ovarian cysts, hopefully will be argued in a court of law. From my understanding, she was denied her right to birth control pills and lost an ovary because of it.
I believe I read the information correctly and if so, its a simple as that.
@ Klmh The school provides BC for “off label” uses, such as your niece’s issue. There is nothing to back up Fluke’s assertions. This was not a sworn testimony before Congress and she has shown herself to be less then believable.
I understand that it wasn’t sworn testimony, and I don’t feel competent to discuss the democrats involvement in this discussion, although its an interesting one.
If you go to a Catholic school that provides medical insurance for the cases listed above or for many others, you should receive birth control. However if you decide to go to a Catholic school and don’t have a condition that requires b.c., you shouldn’t be shocked that its not covered.
I am offended by Limbaugh’s comments, but it isn’t a surprise. He’s a hateful fellow and I expect nothing less from him.
Amen! He’s disgusting.
Hi klmh……howya doin’?
Hi P.G.
I’ve been gone, and Im not watching any of these shows, so I’m clueless!
How are you doing?
Clueless you are not! I’m doing fine thanks for asking. Planning a trip to Florida next month to visit old friends and some new ones too. I’m really looking forward to it and must get off my butt and start making arrangements.
Oh, fun! That’s one of the places we visited on this past trip. We went to Harry Potter Wizarding World and it was fun.
Where in Florida will you visit?
I have friends in Pace, New Smyrna Beach and Ft. Lauderdale and a cousin in Ft. L. as well. And I’m planning to hook up with Diva and Viewer5 as well.
How much fun will that be?
I know you’ll have a blast!
the thing that annoys me most of all with this whole birth control nonsense is that it takes the focus away from real issues facing out country – now, not only are we NOT talking about issues that affect us all, we are getting caught up in the minutia that the media has latched onto – he said – she said – really? has anyone seen this regarding Facebook? – this is something that is way more sinister than some college student getting birth control –
http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/06/10585353-govt-agencies-colleges-demand-applicants-facebook-passwords
*steps off of soap box and destroys it* – sorry all – I just hate seeing stuff like this when we are in such serious trouble right now -
((((((((shamrockblonde)))))))))
the thing that annoys me most of all with this whole birth control nonsense is that it takes the focus away from real issues facing out country –
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“Useful Idiots”
The media is not covering the real issues facing our country because it doesn’t serve their agenda at the moment. As for the government getting more & more personal info, it is only a matter of time until there is no turning back and freedom is lost.
Amen! “Social” issues are being trotted out as a dodge so that the real issues of this country are ignored – stay out of my bedroom and fix our economy!
“They have everything they want and certainly everything that they need, they should be on top of the world.”
The above quote just goes to show that money cannon buy happiness – or Hoppiness.
I’m so sad that I haven’t been able to watch any episodes of BEA this season. My hubby dislikes the show so I don’t force him to watch (1 TV household) and it’s not on my cable’s video on demand. (I don’t know what’s up with that!) And so far, I haven’t seen it re-run during any times when I can watch.
So thank you Lynn for keeping me in the loop with your excellent recaps.
You can watch it (over and over) on itunes for 1.99
Thanks, MaryE!
As only Jon Stewart can make sense of this nonsense, and make you laugh at the same time….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/06/jon-stewart-rush-limbaugh-video_n_1323455.html
I wish he would run for President.
Well then, why don’t you become a U.S. citizen so that you can be politically active and able to support the candidate of your choice in a credible way?
I have never thought about it but it might be possible that some day he will run for office, Al Franken did it.
wish we could speak with margret sanger. imagine fighting for womens right to bc when womens rights were not even recognized.
Margaret Sanger was a bigot. Google the “Negro Project”. It will sicken you beyond anything.
It wasn’t even about women’s rights, it was about genocide. To some, extent it still is.
Viki55
Too true.
Margaret Sanger aligned herself with the eugenicists whose ideology prevailed in the early 20th century. Eugenicists strongly espoused racial supremacy and “purity,” particularly of the “Aryan” race. Eugenicists hoped to purify the bloodlines and improve the race by encouraging the “fit” to reproduce and the “unfit” to restrict their reproduction. They sought to contain the “inferior” races through segregation, sterilization, birth control and abortion.
The Review printed an excerpt of an address Sanger gave in 1926. In it she said:
It now remains for the U.S. government to set a sensible example to the world by offering a bonus or yearly pension to all obviously unfit parents who allow themselves to be sterilized by harmless and scientific means. In this way the moron and the diseased would have no posterity to inherit their unhappy condition. The number of the feeble-minded would decrease and a heavy burden would be lifted from the shoulders of the fit.
Sanger said a “bonus” would be “wise and profitable” and “the salvation of American civilization.” She presented her ideas to Mr. C. Harold Smith (of the New York Evening World) on “the welfare committee” in New York City. She said, “people must be helped to help themselves.” Any plan or program that would make them “dependent upon doles and charities” is “paternalistic” and would not be “of any permanent value.” She included an essay (what she called a “program of public welfare,”) entitled “We Must Breed a Race of Thoroughbreds.”
In it she argued that birth control clinics, or bureaus, should be established “in which men and women will be taught the science of parenthood and the science of breeding.” For this was the way “to breed out of the race the scourges of transmissible disease, mental defect, poverty, lawlessness, crime … since these classes would be decreasing in number instead of breeding like weeds.”
Eugenics (she was a proponent) would later become part of the Nazi regime.
She was a proponent of Negative Eugenics. She was an outspoken opponent of Nazi Eugenics. While I myself disagree strongly with her position on Negative Eugenics it is different.
Yes, negative eugenics, preventing inferior people from breeding vs. breeding a super race. The outcome is the same. People are treated like animals, to be allowed to breed or not breed depending on the traits desired by some sick, power hungry people wishing they were God.
It is not the same. She believed, and I disagree, that people with genetic defects should not be allowed to breed. She did not believe in euthenasia or the Nazi plan of exterminating an entire race that they believed was inferior. The Nazi’s were not talking about preventing breeding, they wanted to and did kill living people. Sanger did not support this.
Sanger was a racist who believed that dark skin people were inferior. But she did not beleive or propose genocide.
Killing generations of black children is genocide and is on going today. It is made even more monsterous because it is being done under the guise of women’s right to chose. It makes me feel sick to think about it. The outcome is the same, positive or negative.
Sanger was a racist. there is ample historical evidence to prove that statement. She even spoke at at least one KKK meeting. But she wasn’t trying to kill generations of black children. She was offering NOT forcing contraception for African Americans. She was supported in her efforts by W.E.B DuBois, the founder of the NAACP.
Eugenics was an awful idea that sadly had many followers.TheodoreRoosevelt was an ardent believer. As was Winston Churchhill. Some supporters of Eugenics went so far to suggest it was right to kill genetically inferior babies. That was the basis for the Nazi’s Final Solution. Sanger was strongly against this.
Anyway this isn’t productive. I won’t change your mind and you will never change mine. I’m not going to talk about this anymore. It’s nothing personal and I am quitting before it becomes personal.
Interesting chart:http://www.census.gov/population/www/pop-profile/natproj.html
I thought it was an interesting topic and enjoyed the back & forth. If all you have left is a personal attack that says more about your side than mine. BTW – Educations is like class. If you have to tell people you have it, you need more of it. I still think your special:)
Viki55…..
earlier today you made two posts sharing your opinion and then you shut the discussion down. Now MamaZ has kindly said she wishes to stop before it becomes personal and not only do you object to that, you then make it personal.
BB, thanks for the recap of Love Broker!
While watching last night I kept waiting for Lori to drop an f-bomb or call some woman ugly/fat/stupid or tell Fish he’s a p***y, or be mean and obnoxious to her staff. None of that happened and I was pleasently surprised! She did have a few R-rated (maybe PG-13?) things to say but she never said a cross word to anyone. Maybe that’s why she’s got a husband and someone else does not…
Lori seems to be a woman you would trust to help you find love. PS would just make me afraid. If I were a man and went to PS for help, I’d be scared to death that all women are like her.
Maybe Bravo is trying to see if viewers will prefer a nice person vs. a vile cow.
On WWHL last night Andy Cohen asked Lori if she had ever met Patti. She said no and left it at that with a little smile. The only other thing she said was “the more the merrier.” I get the feeling Lori is not a fan of Patti. Maybe a matchmaker war is what Bravo had in mind when they decided to do a second matchmaking type program.
Can you imagine how mad Jill must have been when she found out that one of the new housewives (that has taken her place)
also has a “Squeeze” line? If that wasn’t Bravo sending her a message…
How about the Housewives??!!
valleyVal.. I was just going to post..
HOW BOUT THOSE STEELERS !!!!! wink
and on that note… they are letting HINES WARD GO …WTF…….. I am a proud owner of a HINES WARD bobble head doll… it’s close to 10 yrs old and he still BOBBLES……
DIVA. Why would the Steelers let Hines Ward go? Money?
BB… We actually thought Hines was going to announce his retirement…NOPE…they are letting him go..Will save them 4 mil a season… It’s all about the Benjamins..
LOL … I don’t know much about the Steelers but I do know that they don’t make bubble heads like they used to. I’m sure yours is a collectors item now.
I’m jealous and I might just have to steal that when I come to your house next month.
And James Farrior and Arron Smith. I’m shocked at Hines and Farrior. I still think there’s an issue between Tomlin and them. Even Ben was willing to take a pay cut to keep Hines.. Dumb dumb move on their end I believe
@ ValleyVal See what happens when my Tivo doesn’t record my shows! lol!
You must have a plan B…LOL
ValleyVal
Agreed!!!
Well….
Life has been VERY busy lately…but I try to read…
An elderly friend of mine had a stroke affecting his temporal/parietal lobes and now has Wernicke’s aphasia – he’s a dear fellow, so say a prayer for him if you feel so inclined. He has quite a story.
My dad in SC is also gearing up for another surgery in April, so I’ll be there for that.
The kids are home for spring break – I can’t wait to just SEE them.
Do you guys remember the cat I was getting? I was taking him for the friend who had the stroke. WELL!. Let me tell you – that cat..Maggy the Cat…is incredible! I am her human and I am just fine with that. She sleeps curled under my arm every night and if I don’t pick her up when I get home, she makes her displeasure known. The dogs have gotten used to her; however, I discovered that my 4 lb. pom is the alpha of the pack. The rest of the dogs will make room for Maggy; Penny says, “Screw you cat – I’m not moving!”
Turns out, she does have claws, but she doesn’t scratch the furniture or people – she does do this thing where she extends her paws and it catches the carpet, but I don’t care about that. I make sure I keep her claws cut short. I’m so glad we got her – she’s been a great addition to the zoo that is ours!
Anyway…I thought I would insert a few comments…big discussions here today…I wanted to poke my hand out and let folks know I’m here…
Hey, QBB! Great to hear from you. Sorry to hear about your friend and hope your Dad does well with his surgery in April. I remember those Spring breaks and getting to see your kids. Glad your cat is fitting in with your family and the “pecking order” has been established. Lol.
Thanks BB – It’s been quite a time lately – lots of happiness, lots of sadness…
One thought that keeps coming to mind though is this: Why does the end of life have to be so tough for so many, especially the elderly? It just isn’t fair – I know fairness isn’t guaranteed, but still…
I hear ya.
I wholeheartedly agree. Glad to see your face here:)
QBB,
What a lovely end to your story. Cats are wonderful pets. Much different than dogs. I wouldn’t want to go through life without one of each.
You and your loved ones will be in my prayers. Nice to see you again.
Thanks Nancy…
I truly didn’t expect to become attached to Maggy, but I surely am. She’s Siamese and I’ve read that they’re more dog-like than other cats. While that’s true, she’s still very, very different than the dogs.
Hubby is a bit jealous – while animals have always liked me, they’ve LOVED him – not so with Maggy, so there is some quiet satisfaction with that. When I’m not looking, he tries to win her over.
QBB,
We have 2 siamese cats. One blue point and one seal point. Does Maggy “talk”? They do typically favor one human only. My husband does what yours does. I know it hurts him but it is a little funny.
Please let us know about your husband and your friend.
I’m sure they will be fine.
Hi QBB, I have missed you.
Hi QBB, happy to hear the outcome of the cat addition.
Hi, Ladies. Someone here asked if Angelina Jolie could be embarrassed by the attention her leg got at the Oscars. I just read that she blames her stylist for the pose, and that she was SO horrified by the response on the internet, that she didn’t go to the after-parties. I watched Paula Deen on Oprah last night. Promise me that I’ll never, “cackle” when I get older. Promise me.
Angelina is one very insecure woman. I guess money really doesn’t make you happy.
Angelina was horrified by the response….lol….that’s a good one. After she kissed her brother on the lips after declaring “I am so in love with my brother right now”, wore a vial of Billy Bob’s blood around her neck and on and on.
Exactly. It’s sad.
You took the words right out of my mouth. She was a strange bird from the get go.
It’s one or the other. I think it’s the latter.
I don’t think this chick has ever truly been ‘off center’ in any way. I think she has that fearless qualities that people without much of a conscience tend to have…sorry to keep harping about it but it’s another characteristic of narcissists, they don’t feel near the fear most people do and tend to be thrill seekers and risk takers…I think she went out of her way to try to appear ‘edgy’ but really isn’t.
It’s weird to me that she is getting called out for the leg pose…Every single time I have ever seen her walking a red carpet or getting photographed she poses rigidly and moves her head slowly over the crowd like Marie Antoinette surveying her subjects and deciding which one she feels like beheading…it’s one reason I can’t stand her because she always does this and it’s so obvious. So this time really isn’t all that out of character, I guess it just looked awkward or something.
nathania,
Are you in recovery?
why would she blame her stylist..she’s the one that did that idiotic pose every chance she got, she’s got no one to blame but herself
I agree. Surely she did it in front of a mirror a time or two before going to the awards ceremony. It looked so strange!
everytime she did it, it reminded me of that leg thrust-out/foot stomp that sumo wrestlers do
You are right. Too funny!
This is OT, and I am sure that it hasn’t been mentioned, but I thought I would do so. Yesterday, when I was listening to Howard Stern, he was relaying a story he read regarding Lindsay Lohan’s SNL appearance. It was about her and her mother. This is the part I found most amusing. While Lindsay was performing, her mother, Dina, along with She Who Shall Not Be Named was in Loren Michael’s executive office watching. I guess SWSNBN lost the gemstone out of one of the rings that Bawby bought from Liz Taylor’s estate and all hell broke loose. They were looking for it, and it ended up being found. Leave it to SWSNBN to cause a casino.
MSU,
We named one of our cats after Howard Stern!
I can’t wait to see him as a judge on America’s Got Talent!
Nancy, I knew I liked you, because of all your posts. You just made me like you a little bit more.
I love Howard and he has spoke about some of the tapings they have done for America’s Got Talent. He hasn’t divulged much, but he is really enjoying it. They have been to LA, San Fran and this weekend will be St. Louis.
MSU,
Thank-you.
The people that don’t like him don’t “get” him IMHO.
I know you know what I’m talking about. The man is
hysterical! I do however wish he had stayed with Allison
as he sure did make her life a living hell at times. I hope she is happy now.
We were thing about naming our next cat…
Pig Vomit. (just kidding)
Why not Baba Booey? LOL!
Good one. WNNNNNNNBC
Yes, they don’t understand him. It is funny, people think he is so immoral, I think he probably has more morals than most.
The divorce from Allison was said, especially because it occurred about 5 years after his movie, Private Parts. She got remarried before him to a Doctor. From the few mentions that he has made about her, she is happy. At least their divorce wasn’t dirty. They used a mediator and it was civil.
Sad, excuse the typo.
ITA,
I loved the way he raised his daughters.
People only see a small portion of him.
I’ve seen his movie many times and I loved it.
I think he’s going to be a fair judge.
Apparently he had to “buzz” an 11 yr old and it nearly killed him.
Yes, he spoke about it on the show. He also said that, at least in the first few episodes, he isn’t as hard as Sharon and Howie.
Obviously, I listen to him every day!
I used to years ago but stopped when he went to cable (or what ever it’s called.)
Sirius, I got it just for him. The funny thing about it, is that his show has gotten me through some tough times. It is like an extended family for me.
I hear you.
He has given me many laughs through hard times
as well.
BB,
The Colts “fired” Peyton Manning today.
No surprise. Saw that one coming.
That’s a shame for Indy but maybe good for Peyton.
He better take care of his neck before worrying about football.
He won’t retire if he can find a team who will take him and start him. I agree he should call it quits.
I hope his parents knock some sense into him. He should go into coaching.
BB… Dolphins looking to pick Peyton up.. Colts dont want to pay Peyton 28 mil roster bonus…. Peyton has a place on South Beach and has been seen around Miami lately….. Nothing official till this week end….
Good News for Miami!!! But I have a hard time seeing the Colts letting Manning go…
You know… I just didn’t even questioned it because did not see that coming …. OMG!!! when I started reading upthread I googled it…
Valleyval… here ya go from our local paper
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/colts-reportedly-to-cut-peyton-manning-dolphins-very-2221079.html
I’m telling you Diva. I’m shocked! I have a good friend who is a die hard fan Coltls fan and she assured me there was no way in hell they were letting him go. I started reading upthread after your post and realized that it was true.
VV..Mr ford owes me TWENTY BUCKS.. I called it the beginning of the season..he said NO WAY.. I said BET ?? and he says SURE $20 …hahahahaha,, I WIN… He just never learns ….hahahahaha I have a crystal ball…..
Lynn, I just sent you an e-mail.
Rob Shuter is tweeting that insiders are telling him Lisa V’s show has been picked up by Bravo. Either Lisa said she wouldn’t come back to RHOB if they didn’t, or they saw how popular Lisa is after the reunion and decided they were passing up a winner. Either way, if it’s true, it’s a win win for the viewers. I hope it’s true.
BTW, the above either or is my opinion, not RS’s.
I trust your opinion more than NotSoReliableRob.
YAY for Lisa! However, I don’t think she would have given Bravo an ultimating like that!
I can. Lisa is a smart businesswoman. Funny timing that Ken just came out to the media saying he didn’t want Lisa back on RHOBH. Was it yesterday? Hmmmmmm. JMO.
Will she return to RHOBH? I mean who is Brandi gonna play with?
I agree. This is Lisa’s plan to shake the dust of RHOBH off her Vanderpumps and strike out on her own. while still having fan sympathy. It’s a win/win for Lisa if she plays it right, and I bet she will. She starts making noise that Ken doesn’t want her to go back, which takes the blame off her and keeps the public on her side if she quits, and she gets to publicly hold Bravo’s feet to the fire by saying she’ll stay with the network if they give her her own show-a perfect compromise. Kyle’s right-Lisa is manipulative
cammierari…..Interesting. I don’t see Lisa as manipulative at all. I see her as real.
What do you base your assumptions on?
I like Lisa…I think anyway, but after the reunion, I read a few posts on different blogs where they pointed out that she might be as manipulative as Kyle suggested at the reunion, and I could see the possibility of it being true. I always thought she was real as well, but when she made that Maloof Hoof comment, and refused to see where it could be taken as anything other than a joke, I started to wonder. I’m not saying I’ve completely made up my mind about her, and that I believe Kyle’s assessment, but I’m keeping an eye on Lisa lol. The Cedric stuff could go either way too…maybe she’s a very soft hearted millionaire who thought of him as a son, or maaybe she asked him to move back in to help her secure a place on the RHOBH since he was a fun foil for her, and not bad looking either
Lisa is extremely forthright. She’s direct. She says what she means and means what she says. I don’t see anything manipulative, sneaky, underhanded or anything that would indicate she has ulterior motives. She is one of the few people on reality television that can be accepted at face value, in fact. Why on earth would she need Cedric to secure her place on RHOBH? She and her husband are extremely wealthy and successful, not to mention very high-profile. She’s not a poser like so many other reality stars. And Cedric is nothing but an ungrateful street urchin who bit the hand that fed him so kindly.
Im looking thru Lisa’s eyes on this one and think she was really hurt by her “friends” lack of support at the reunion. How could she go back to a group of ladies that trashed her on nat’l TV that way? How can you be yourself anymore with the rest of the cast of HW?
I don’t see her behavior as manipulative at all, and her husband is a wonderful support for her.
Hope she does get her own show. jmo of course…
I see that possibility too klmh believe it or not. She did look genuinely hurt at the reunion-but she’s also smart and I think she knows how to play things to her advantage as well. What I think is odd is that everything was fine between Lisa and Kyle in the time after the reunion was filmed as far as I know. It was reported that they all went out to eat and have a drink after filming . Then, after the reunion was aired, and there was much public sympathy for Lisa, she’s all of a sudden very hurt and doesn’t know how to take it. I’m sure there was much more discussed that we didn’t get to see at the reunion since they always say they’re there for many hours, so shouldn’t Lisa have been hurt that day? I have a terrible memory, but I don’t think there was a hint of trouble on twitter-thought Lisa and Kyle were still tweeting each other-but I’m way too lazy to go back and see lol. I’ll just keep my eyes and mind open and watch what happens..andy would be so proud…kidding lol
I just watched the reunion shows again this wknd. and Lisa was visibly hurt and offended and she said as much. It wasn’t contrived after the fact at all. I’m sorry but I think you’re way off the mark in your assessment of Lisa.
no need to be sorry Pussy. As I said, I haven’t fully made up my mind yet. I like Lisa-I just think there is another way to see her. I’m trying to look thru Kyle’s eyes and see why she may have said that. I’m sure the truth will come out in the end
Fingers crossed.
Ditto.
What show? What ? Really? It would be nice, I would watch
If bravo picks up Lisa’s show, we could all such a good time
Lisa’s new show could have Brandi as the sommerilar (sp) lol
I nominate Ramona as a guest sommerlier!
Yes, and Ramona can a waitress and Brandi, in her spare time can park cars.
Talk about being good for business!!!
Does anyone know if there is a faster way to refresh the page besides hitting the “refresh button?” Thanks
Time for some giggles………
The pastor asked if anyone in the congregation would like to express praise for answered prayers. Suzie Smith stood and walked to the podium. She said,
“I have a praise. Two months ago, my husband, Tom, had a terrible bicycle wreck and his scrotum was completely crushed. The pain was excruciating and the doctors didn’t know if they could help him.”
You could hear a muffled gasp from the men in the congregation as they imagine the pain that poor Tom must have experienced.
“Tom was unable to hold me or the children,” she went on, “and every move caused him terrible pain. We prayed as the doctors performed a delicate operation, and it turned out they were able to piece together the crushed remnants of Tom’s scrotum, and wrap wire around it to hold it in place.”
Again, the men in the congregation cringed and squirmed uncomfortably as they imagined the horrible surgery performed on Tom.
“Now,” she announced in a quivering voice, “thank the Lord, Tom is out of the hospital and the doctors say that with time, his scrotum should recover completely.”
All the men sighed with unified relief. The pastor rose and tentatively asked if anyone else had something to say.
A man stood up and walked slowly to the podium.
He said, “I’m Tom Smith.”
The entire congregation held its breath.
“I just want to tell my wife that the word is Sternum…”
Bwahahahahahaha!
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Twitter is going crazy over this Love Broker woman saying it’s a big F U from Bravo. Patti just keeps tweeting that so many hot guys are hitting on her and pretending like she’s hot stuff. But she tweeted that she’s heard that the Love Broker’s husband is a cheater. She’s so disgusting.