LynnNChicago Real Housewives of New Jersey / Mob Wives Finale / Celebrity Apprentice / Survivor Finale / Mad Men / Jerseylicious
LynnNChicago Real Housewives of New Jersey
This episode was no fun at all! I am not enjoying this season, I don’t like all of this arguing and particularly when you hear so many “bleeps” as they call each other vile and foul names. These people are family. How is it possible that Teresa and Joey Gorga can’t sit together and talk this out? Quite honestly Richie was right, they need therapy, not someone to analyze why they’re fighting but more of a moderator who will make them see each other’s point of view so that they get it and can move on.
Before the Teresa / Joey sit down, we see Melissa and Teresa both telling their husband’s about the previous evening and the argument. The stories are a bit different to say the least but it really doesn’t matter because Joe Giudice isn’t listening to his wife, he simply wants to call all of her relatives nasty names. According to Joe Giudice, her brother Joe is a Bitch, Melissa is Horseface, Kathy is Frogface and Rosie is Butchy boy. Oh and he doesn’t much like Caroline or Jacqueline either. Then he adds the icing on the cake, “you don’t need any of those people, you got me”. How depressing! If there is a bigger horses ass on television, I haven’t found him. Joe Giudice is a complete moron!
In this preview for next week, Teresa tries to talk to her husband about her discussion with her brother. He can’t seem to say three words without throwing in “f***”, calling her brother names and eventually telling his wife to shut up. Apparently what Teresa wants doesn’t matter to this asshole, his wife simply wants to discuss this situation but he refuses to hear her out. How Teresa tolerates him, I simply cannot understand!
Teresa visited Jacqueline so that their trainer could come and they could all work out. Teresa was a bit upset with Jacqueline but as they talked it out, Teresa realized it is no different from her relationship with Jacqeline’s sister-in-law, in fact Teresa and Dina are much more friendly than Jac and Melissa. Teresa tells Jac she just wants her to be on her side but Jacqueline explains Teresa is doing the same thing by being friends with Dina.
The trainer arrives and she throws her bag into the closet where she sneaks off as soon as she gets the ladies going on some exercises, she reaches into her bag and Bravo’s cameras zoom in to show a bottle of wine in there. WTF? Kathy calls Teresa and invites her to a pool party, Teresa says she will be there. Jacqueline can’t go because she can’t find a babysitter, WHAT? All of the other kids are there, why would Jac need a babysitter?
Jac has a Skype session to talk with Ashley and it’s awkward at best, Ashley doesn’t seem to have changed much and Jacqueline tells us that her daughter is not coming home until she has a plan for her future. Ashley signs off saying, “I’ll be home soon”. Not so much Ashley.
The Manzo kids are looking at a $80k Jaguar and when Albert brings Caroline in to see it, she keeps saying it’s ridiculous until she learns that the car is for her. Happy Anniversary, now it is not so ridiculous. Caroline and Albert steal away to the apartment above the Brownstone where they used to live when they were first married. This is the first time we’ve seen this secret apartment where Albert claimed to live so that he could be in the right district to take that job with the Water Department or whatever it was. We only see the ugly couch where the couple reminisce about their lives and bringing their first baby home there. At least no one is arguing but it could put you to sleep.
The pool party begins and Kathy can’t understand why none of her kids friends are there, Richie tells us that he instructed his kids not to invite their friends so they’re not embarrassed by their family. Sounds pretty mean until he’s proven right.
Melissa and Joey show up and shortly thereafter Teresa shows up with her four kids but no Joe. Teresa tells us that Joe is busy around the house and he had meetings all day. Sure, he did! I can’t say I’m sorry that he’s not there, he is nothing but trouble but we know he is likely lying around eating and watching TV while belching a lot.
Joey sits and asks Teresa to join him, she almost immediately beings to cry but it turns from sad to angry pretty quickly. Neither of them is listening to the other and both are stubborn beyond belief. It is very frustrating to watch because honestly, with a moderator they would likely have been able to stop and listen to the other’s point of view. Both of them truly despise the other’s spouse and that is a big part of the problem. Both Joey and Teresa say talking to the other is like talking to a brick wall (or a football in Joey’s case) and it’s true because neither of them listens to each other.
I still don’t see why these two can’t bring their children together and leave the spouses at home, they could set up weekly play dates without Joe and Melissa, then just be together with their children. There is a whole lot of history here, Teresa and Joe Giudice are never going to be friends with Melissa and Joey Gorga.
There is no resolution and Teresa storms out of the house…oops she forgot her children. 
As they all climb out of the pool and being to dry off, they’re all crying thinking mom left them with horse face and frog face. Not a good scene. Teresa storms back in demanding her baby, I don’t think Tre needs to worry about anyone wanted to keep her kids, she’s free to take them with her, just sayin’.
A few points I need to make here, when Teresa was talking to her brother, she told a bit of a lie. She did say that Caroline and Jacqueline were “family” to her yet tonight she changed it to “great friends”. Teresa doesn’t understand that her brother considers his wife and children his family, of course he does. Tre should consider her husband and children first. Therein lies part of the problem.
While talking to her brother, Teresa said that when she first married her husband, she put her brother first in her life yet Joey put his wife first. Teresa learned quickly that putting her brother before her husband was not a good way to make a marriage work but you certainly can’t blame Joey for that. Having a close relationship with your brother is great but you have got to put your husband first, I think that this is a major reason why Joe Giudice hates Joey Gorga so much. Teresa certainly can’t fault her brother for putting his wife and kids before anything else. Unfortunately this has put a major rift between these two couples. I’m sure that Teresa never meant for any of this to happen but it is the result of her choices early on in her marriage.
When the Giudice children arrived at Kathy’s party, Teresa tried to help little Milania with her hair but the child said, “I like my hair messy”. Hysterical! We absolutely need to see more of this kid!
Next week Jacqueline throws a party, Field Days with lots of fun activities. Gia is having a bad day as we see her yelling at her Uncle Joey for cheating, she seems to be near tears throughout the party. Somehow Jac ends up trying to read a story to Gia but possibly at 11-years old that becomes torture because Gia cries and screams “that was torture!”. I guess once you can read all by yourself, having someone read to you is “torture”. Teresa hugs her daughter who had just been through torture and Caroline disapproves. What else is new? Caroline disapproves of everything. Teresa tells the others not to interfere with the way she raises her kids as she doesn’t interfere with any of them. Agreed. Teresa will have to deal with the results of the way that she raises her children, just as Caroline and Jacqueline are dealing with their own now, so let it be.
After only four episodes, people are forming opinions, choosing sides and even flip-flopping on their original opinions of the New Jersey Housewives. More than any other Housewives show, New Jersey are about families, the husbands are a huge part of the storyline and now the kids are becoming an even larger part of the scenes. While I’m doing my best, it’s difficult to be neutral, un-biased or to not have an opinion either way, no one will convince me that Joe Giudice is a good guy but everyone else gets the benefit of the doubt for now. Whether you agree with me or not, I hope you’ll feel free to share your opinions here, that’s what this forum is all about.
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Celebrity Apprentice by BB
Last week, after the four remaining celebrities, Aubrey, Lisa, Arsenio and Clay, were interviewed by both John Rich (last year’s winner) and Marlee Matlin (last year’s runner-up), Trump fired Lisa. Before we get to the last task, Trump will fire one more. Clay says he’s been a hard worker and he’s been considered to be one of the strongest players on the teams. He claims about 70% of the teams he’s been on have won. Aubrey feels like she’s the strongest player there. She has treated every day there like it’s her last. Arsenio says he’s asked for forgiveness for his language and tried to own what he did. He thinks he should be a finalist because he’s a tireless worker and he thinks if he got the Donald Trump stamp of approval he would spend the rest of his life trying to make him proud.
Aubrey is fired. She thanks Trump for the opportunity and she takes offense to Trump
Bye Bye Fake Hair!
calling her transparent. She blows the receptionist a big kiss when she gets on the elevator.
Clay says he’s having Déjà vu by being a finalist. Arsenio says he’s not that heavy (referring to Ruben Stoddard). Clay says CA is much harder than American Idol and that he’s going to win. They will be meeting the next day at Lincoln Center. Trump tells them there are no losers in the room. Arsenio thanks Trump for the experience no matter what happens. As Clay and Arsenio are leaving, Arsenios tells Clay “I’m getting in your ass.” Clay tells Arsenio he might want to rephrase that. Arsenio is appropriately embarrassed and asks Trump if they can come back (and redo their exit from the board room).
They are both happy they are the final two because they respect each other. But they are both very serious about winning the whole enchilada.
The next morning, Clay and Arsenio meet Trump, Don, Jr. and Ivanka at Lincoln Center where it all started. Ivanka tells them they will have to produce, host and sell tickets to a celebrity charity event. They will have to create a 30 second charity awareness ad and have a variety show for their charity. The entertainment will be Arsenio and Clay. They are offered help. Debbie, Aubrey, Lisa, Teresa, Dee, Adam, Paul, Sr. and Penn come into the room. Arsenio picks Adam Corolla first. He’s going comedy. Clay picks Penn because 
he wants to show Trump he can work with anyone. Arsenio picks Lisa (best comedy mind and best worker). Clay picks Debbie for her talent. Arsenio picks Paul, Sr. Clay chooses Dee Snider (musician). Teresa and Aubrey are left. Arsenio picks Teresa, not Aubrey. Arsenio picks Teresa because she’s nice to be around. Aubrey calls both of the men haters because she’s the last one standing. She should have been picked first. Poor Clay. The money each man earns, they will keep for their charities.
Team Clay has the musicians. He explains his charity, the National Inclusion Project. Aubrey never liked Clay as a person, but likes him a little more after he explains his charity. Aubrey is so nice, I can’t understand why nobody wanted her on their team.
At Team Arsenio, he also talks about his charity, the Magic Johnson Foundation. Arsenio is going to create a comedy event. Lisa likes that she’s been picked by Arsenio because she hasn’t worked with him before and the fact that he thinks she would be a good team member is nice. They talk about ticket distribution. Adam suggests doing a kid’s show. Lisa doesn’t agree and Arsenio tries to convince Adam it should not be just for kids, but more to the Magic Johnson demographic. So far Teresa and Paul, Sr. are saying nothing which is not anything new.
Back at Team Clay, they talk about everything they need to do. He asks Aubrey to plan and decorate for the event. Penn and Dee are in charge of the Charity Awareness Ad. They come up with the title of “Let’s All Play” for the event. They are going to have booths and Aubrey states she can get it all done. She thinks Arsenio is dirt and she really wants Clay to win.
At Team Arsenio, Adam mentions going back to the 80’s because that’s when Aids was more in the public eye, but they want to make sure people still know it’s here. They talk about getting Magic to participate in the show. They want to get Magic to do a 20 second spot about his own foundation for the charity awareness ad. Arsenio is going to try to bring humor to everything to get everyone’s attention about a very serious subject.
Team Clay wants his charity ad to show a kid with a disability being alone and then being included. Penn thinks it’s a little offensive and wants to do something else. Clay is hoping he’s not made a mistake by picking Penn because he’s already knocking things down without having something better to offer.
Adam and Teresa go to a costume shop to get some 80’s stuff for their 30 second public service announcement. They pick out a Michael Jackson like costume for Arsenio, wigs, and other 80’s type costumes. Teresa thinks Adam is hilarious.
Clay and Penn are working hard on the awareness add. Penn thinks the ad Clay wants to do has an element of wallowing. He comes up with a scenario and Clay likes it. Penn wants it to have compassion without pity. He comes up with a concept that Clay thinks hits the nail on the head for his charity.
Paul and Teresa get on the phone to start raising some money, which is an important element. Ivanka shows up to see how they are doing. Arsenio calls her a fine and smart tall drink of water. Ivanka is impressed with how much money they have raised already. She thinks it’s a great start. She asks about their ideas and they tell about Magic’s participation. Ivanka can tell Arsenio is very excited about it. She asks Arsenio about the difference between music and comedy. Arsenio thinks comedy plays to everybody, music doesn’t. Ivanka finds it interesting that each team thinks their team has the best concept, music or comedy.
At Team Clay, Dee doesn’t seem to want to do the type of music that Clay and Debbie want to do, disco or funk. Dee is not crazy about doing it, but he will do whatever is needed. Don, Jr. shows up and tells them he would make a serious ass of himself if he were to sing. Clay tells Don, Jr. they are very music heavy and also Penn and Teller will be performing together. Don, Jr. thinks they have a very strong team, but he didn’t hear anything about them raising money, which is very important.
Arsenio is trying to do some fundraising even though he doesn’t have that much time. Most of the people he’s calling want to help. His team is really going heavy on raising funds.
Clay is finally asking his team members to try to bring in some money. He thinks having Magic Johnson’s name associated with the other team’s charity gives them the advantage. From what is shown, it doesn’t look like Clay is having as much luck raising funds as Arsenio’s team.
In the van on the way to the event space, Lisa calls one of her comedian friends and asks if 
he could possibly get his friend Charlie Sheen to attend the fund raiser. They arrive at the event space and Arsenio is wondering how in the world he can get the event space decorated. He turns to Lisa and Teresa for help. He’s hoping Teresa’s party-giving background will be what they need. Arsenio is not programmed to think of the details, so Lisa and Teresa will have to take care of them. Arsenio is into the big picture. Teresa goes over the menu with Arsenio. He is entrusting Teresa with it. He knows it can go wrong, but Arsenio doesn’t want to micro-manage.
Aubrey knows exactly what she wants the event space to look like. She’s very decisive and takes Clay and the team through it. She is talking a mile a minute and Clay thinks it’s a challenge to pull her back to a place that’s workable. Aubrey wants to paint the whole room and Clay doesn’t. He is telling Aubrey no. She feels disrespected that Clay is checking her and she doesn’t want to be questioned. Debbie has a cousin who is a mural painter and calls her to paint the walls. Debbie, please, please, stop chomping on that gum. It is sooooo annoying. Clay wants to see a sketch of what her cousin plans to do and Debbie is a little insulted about it. Clay is micro-managing more than Arsenio.
On day two, Clay, Penn and Dee are going to find the site to shoot their charity ad. The go to a park and it smells like a huge pile of dog poo so that’s out. They also notice there is a train running overhead so the audio will not work either.
Arsenio’s team arrives at some sort of studio with a great view and Arsenio is stoked about doing their charity ad there. They will be having a video of Magic Johnson shot to add to their own video. Adam will be doing the directing. Adam explains the concept to the professional Artistic Director. Lisa is dressed in a curly wig and lime green 80’s outfit. She has one line for the shoot. “I’m Lisa Lamanelli and this is me in the 80’s.”
Meanwhile, Clay’s team cannot find a grassy spot for their ad. They want to show kids sitting in a circle on some grass and you won’t be able to tell which one is wheelchair bound. They are worried they might have to go back to the studio, which Penn suggests. They meet the Director of Photography on the street and he tries to help them find a spot.
At team Arsenio they put Paul, Jr. in a curly wig. His plays a tough guy looking around hoping nobody will see him. Teresa has big hair and does her “this is me in the 80’s” line. Adam makes a little fun of Teresa’s naivete (because she doesn’t know what that word means.) Adam looks hilarious dressed as a Prince type.
Clay and the guys some across a baseball field and he asks to use the field. One of the coaches comes over and is angry they are interrupting their game. When he realizes it’s Clay, he’s excited to see him and Penn and Dee, but he still doesn’t let them use the field while they’re in the middle of a game. What is Clay to do? He’s quickly running out of time.
Team Clay finds a grassy place right outside of some apartments. It’s not beautiful but the 
photography guy thinks it will work. They get the actors and crew together to shoot the ad. Clay is sitting around with some kids and they are shaking a parachute and nobody is to know which kid has a disability. Clay was a pro with the kids. Some of the kids are a little difficult, but Clay keeps his cool.
Arsenio is dressed kind of like Michael Jackson and does his spiel about how they don’t dress like the 80’s anymore, but Aids and HIV are still around. Magic will be doing the serious facts about Aids. Adam starts directing what they should be doing on the other coast with Magic. The guy he wanted to direct it was not available, and his technical guy will have to do it. Adam is trying to direct it over the phone. Adam is getting confused about what side of the camera the ball should come from that Arsenio has thrown. Arsenio tells Teresa, Lisa and Paul to go back to the hotel and start trying raising more money.
Debbie and Aburey get to a rehearsal space to put the music portion of the event together. Debbie’s personal music director from her tour comes in to help them. Debbie feels completely in her element. She lives and breathes music. She starts singing “Shake Your Love.” Aubrey is about to die and is trying to be respectful even if Debbie’s era of music is so old. I’m with Aubrey. I’m over “Shake Your Love.”
Arsenio and Adam get together to put the charity ad together. While they are editing, Arsenio is making more calls for charity. Leno has helped him twice. He’s learning who his true friends are and those people who are not helping him, he can now tell to go pound sand when they ask for his help.
Dee, Penn and Clay are editing the video when Debbie and Aubrey come in. They start trying to raise funds again. Dee and Penn are pretty much in charge of the editing of the video, adding the music, etc. Debbie is putting in her two cents about when and where the music should be coming in. Clay disagrees with Debbie but doesn’t want to argue with her. They continue the discussion and Clay gets his way. Lisa calls Clay and tells him she wants to buy a ticket to his event and she will show up with a check. Classy move by Lisa. I wonder whose event is first? Could Lisa want to attend Clay’s to see what the competition looks like? I’m not sure what Arsenio is going to think about this. Aubrey also comes up with a donor and gets a kiss from Clay. Aubrey exclaims, “Oh no, I’m a Claymate!”
Arsenio is waiting for the upload from the Magic Johnson part of the shoot. There seems to be some technical difficulty and Adam is feeling a little uncomfortable because the crew who shot it was not exactly professional.
Clay goes to hear what Debbie, Aubrey and the producer have come up with. Dee is singing Baby Love with Debbie. Clay is not going to make any decisions until Debbie proposes the whole program to him. She keeps stopping and making changes and it’s irritating to Clay. Clay seems a little uptight and tells Debbie not to think creatively because there isn’t enough time. Debbie is thinking Clay is micro-managing too much and is making her not want to support him.
Debbie’s cousin is a little behind in coming up with the mural painting concept. Clay tells 
Debbie if she doesn’t have a sketch to him by that night, there will be no painting of the murals. Debbie is insulted because her cousin rearranged her schedule to do it for them. Clay says that’s nice, but he doesn’t care. Aubrey and Debbie do not like that Clay doesn’t trust them, and Debbie is very upset. Dee understands how Debbie feels. Clay is not giving in and says it’s not that he doesn’t trust Debbie and Aubrey, but he has never met her cousin. Debbie calls her cousin to explain what’s going on and Clay is interrupting her while she’s talking. She leaves the room and doesn’t know if she wants to even be there anymore.
Arsenio and Adam get the Magic footage and Magic is not facing the camera. They realize there has been a major mistake and they can’t use the footage they have. It’s way too late to do another shoot and Arsenio feels that if he can’t use the Magic footage, he’s already lost the challenge.
We’ll have to wait until next week to see how this all plays out. I may totally change my mind being the flip-flopper that I am, but right now I’m team Arsenio.
Amazing job BB, “flip-flopper”…that made me laugh! So you know I have to add my two cents! I just love love love that Aubrey was chosen last, she calls them “haters”? Seriously, she makes it easy, I cannot stand that woman! Her fake straw-like neon pink hair doesn’t help! No one wants to work with her and she still doesn’t get it? I wish they had brought in all of the original contestants, now that would have been fun! Where is Victoria and Lou and even Cheryl? Come on, you know you wanted to see them all! There’s plenty of work for everyone!
Interesting that Clay and Arsenio didn’t choose their team based on who they thought could raise the most money, I like that they were thinking first of putting on a good show! I enjoyed this season, looking forward to the finale! Thanks again BB, outstanding all season! xoxo Lynn~
Mob Wives Finale by BB
Tonight is the season finale of Mob Wives, entitled “Omerta.”
From Wikipedia – Omertà (Italian pronunciation: [omerˈta]) is a popular cultural attitude and code of honor that places heavy importance on a deep-rooted “code of silence”, non-cooperation with authorities, and non-interference in the illegal (and legal) actions of others. It originated and remains very common in areas of Southern Italy, such as Sicily, Apulia, Calabria, and Campania, where Mafia-type criminal organizations such as the Cosa Nostra, ‘Ndrangheta, Sacra Corona Unita, and Camorra are strong. It also exists to a lesser extent in certain Italian-American neighborhoods where the Italian-American Mafia has influence and other Italian ethnic enclaves in countries where there is the presence of Italian organized crime (i.e. Germany, Canada, and Australia).
Renee meets Drita at a bar to talk about the perfect location for Drita and Karen to meet to iron out their differences. They also talk about Renee’s father taking a plea deal for 30 to 37 months. Renee complains about her father getting more time than anyone else, but at least he’ll be coming home sometime. Drita agrees to meet with Karen tomorrow at the location Renee and Big Ange picked out. Drita wants it made clear that she doesn’t want to bring up the past. Renee already knows Karen wants to talk about the past. Renee and Drita agree not to touch the subject of Ramona. You can tell Drita is very nervous and needs a cigarette.
Tonight we learn Big Ang has 12 tattoos all over her body and she loves tattoos. She is at the tattoo parlor with her son AJ, who is getting a tattoo of the Mother Mary on his leg. She tells the tattoo artist she wants to get one that says “Omerta.” She wants her son to know they never rat, never did, never will. She tells everyone about her plans to have a dinner party. She gets “Omerta” tattooed on the back of her neck and resolves to wear her hair up so everyone can see it.
Karen and Ramona talk about the upcoming meeting between Karen and Drita. Karen 
wants bring up their past friendship and the fact that Drita put her hands on Karen. Of course, Ramona does not want Karen and Drita to make up so she’s not giving Karen any positive encouragement about it whatsoever.
Renee and her son AJ go mini-cart racing. She does a good imitation of Big Ang when she wins the race and tells AJ he’s nothing but a loser. She tells AJ she wants to have someone come to the house and cleanse it of bad karma and improve the atmosphere. AJ thinks it’s a bunch of bullshit. Renee says she would walk around with bird shit on her head for a week if it would make AJ smile.
Ramona goes to a psychic to see what the future holds. Her boyfriend is in jail and can’t get bail. She finds out her boyfriend loves her but doesn’t want her to wait, which makes him love him all the more (puke puke). She also finds out her grandfather is proud of her for taking care of her children without their father around. The physic says Ramona’s own father will find his way back to her. They are estranged because she married a man of Middle Eastern descent. She’s no longer with him dad, life is short.
Carla and Renee meet. Renee thinks Carla should fight for her man. Carla doesn’t really agree. They talk about Drita and Karen. Renee is optimistic but wants to know how Carla would feel if they make up. Carla wants them to make up because she doesn’t want any more drama when they are all in a room together.
Drita has a session with her anger management counselor before she meets with Karen. She tells him she’s going to meet with Karen and she doesn’t want to snap when Karen starts harping on the past. He hooks Drita up to a bio-feedback machine which will show when she gets upset. It’s like a lie-detector. They do a little role-playing and Drita is saying she’s not upset while the machine is beeping and saying different. The counselor gets Drita really mad and she wants him to unhook her from the effing machine. He tells Drita there is a part of her that misses her relationship with Karen and their upcoming conversation is going to be much harder than Drita thinks.
It’s time for the Big Meeting between Drita and Karen. Drita is already seated when Karen 
arrives. She asks Karen if she wants to go first because there is much to talk about. Karen says she doesn’t want to get into a fight. Drita doesn’t want to talk about what happened in the past, she’s exhausted from it. Karen thought they were friends for life and it was never about Lee. Drita can’t believe she’s going there again. Drita tries to explain what she meant when she said she and Karen were not friends. This goes back and forth between them. They talk about what each one of them said about the other to other people. Then they talk about the physical altercations between them. Drita doesn’t want to discuss it and Karen says they can’t come to any type of understanding if they can get to the real issues between them. Karen hands Drita paperwork about her not being in the hospital. Drita can’t believe Karen brought paperwork to their talk. Talk, talk, talk, blah, blah, blah. At first, neither feels like they are getting through to the other. Drita admits to some of her wrongdoing as far as the physical fighting is concerned. They are both bothered that things got physical between them. Karen tells Drita she’s ready to bury the hatchet and so is Drita. They call a truce and decide they can co-exist and be in the same room together. I wonder how long this truce is gonna last. Any bets?
A strange lady arrives at Renee’s house to spiritually heal it. They are disturbed by the granite countertop. They see a face or dead eyes or something. The healer says something about a clown and Renee says the bad person (Junior) has a clown tattoo on his arm. Renee and the strange lady go all around the house with the healing smoke and spraying holy water. AJ and his girlfriend arrive and have a good laugh. Renee says since AJ is laughing the energy has gone from bad to good. Renee thinks all the girls need a “group” ritual healing.
Drita tells Big Ang the talk with Karen went well and she feels like burden is lifted off her shoulders. Big Ang invites Drita to her dinner party, but she hesitates to accept because Ramona and her kids will be there. Drita tells Big Ang she will not ever be friends with Ramona. She thinks Ramona is Lucifer, she’s cold, she’s a big piece of ice. Drita tells Big Ang she will go to the dinner but she will not speak to Ramona.
Big Ang is having her dinner party at Delmonico’s. Big Ang and her son arrive; followed by Carla and her two kids; Renee, AJ and his girlfriend; Karen and her daughter Karina; Ramona and her kids; and last, but not least, Rita and her two girls. Renee is hoping for the best. Of course Ramona is already talking bad about Drita being late. Everyone is on edge about Drita and Ramona. Big Ang proposes a toast about everyone being one big happy family. Renee brings up the Karen and Drita meeting. They both tell Renee they still hate each other and then they laugh. Drita then tells Renee separately that the meeting went well. Drita realizes it’s a truce; they are not best friends. When they are all back together at the dinner table, Karen tells some funny stories about her and Drita’s past. Carla can see Ramona is not happy about it and is hoping she doesn’t start anything with Drita.
Big Ang thanks everyone for coming. The kids give a toast. They are all cute kids. Renee also gives a toast about things being better, then worse, then better, then worse. Renee thanks them all for their support. Karen looks around and sees family. Drita talks about what Renee has been through and how they will be there for her. Big Ang declares that the women stand strong, much stronger than the men. Drita and Ramona get their own digs in about each other in the talking heads.
There is a two part reunion coming up, hosted by Joy Behar and it’s off the hook. I’ll just 
leave you with this. It’s so appropriate.
Great job BB, just when you thought it was over, they pulled you back in. More Mob Wives Reunion next week! Wow! Thanks BB! Lynn~
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Survivor – Woman’s World – Day 37 and to the finale – by MelTheHound
Here we go kids. Fasten your seat belts, It’s On. The show begins with a six minute recap of the season. Showing people I long ago forgot were even there. Didn’t forget Colton though. I hate him all over again. Trust me, I only think of him when I think of this game. The recap points out where the Men REALLY effed it up for themselves. Too many chiefs, no indians is what it came down to. All Alpha dogs and the only one who Wasn’t obviously an Alpha dog, Colton, played All of them. Initially appeasing Him, was their downfall. That includes You Troyzan. They showed how in the beginning, the men would do nothing to help the women as they didn’t want to be played by the ‘feminine wilds’ (they didn’t note that in the recap but I still remember it being said). A little bit of chivalry may have helped a couple of the fellas. Who knows? Sometimes, Nice goes a long way and sometimes, it’ll get one stabbed in the back. They get to the part where Tarzan is voted off and note that of the 5 remaining women, Alicia and Christina are aligned, Chelsea and Sabrina are aligned. Kim has fooled both sides into thinking she is aligned with them. With me so far? Good. Let’s get to it.
The women return from Tribal council and they are doing the usual slap on their own backs for getting rid of All the men. I have to admit, Nicely played ladies. Just because they couldn’t seem to pull it together in the beginning, I would have never imagined they could do what they’ve done. Now though, they have to turn on each other. This is where alliances are going to do very little for them and they better be ready to fight if they want that prize. Kim still has the hidden idol and Chelsea is the only other one who knows. Kim, Holds all the cards in the challenge part of the game at this point.
Tree mail time. There is no reward challenge this week so we are getting right to the immunity challenge. It is Kim and Sabrina who get the tree mail and as they are walking, they are discussing the final 3. The way that conversation shakes out, is Chelsea is the target unless she wins immunity. Sabrina believes that if she does, She will be the target (in her TH). Kim’s main concern is that she has pissed off and back stabbed every person currently on the jury with the exception of Jonas and perhaps Tarzan. Since Tarzan is a traitor himself, he has no pull with these people like he eluded to last week. I’m convinced of that. Jonas is just along for the ride and realistically, right now, I can only see Him voting for Kim simply because she played the better game.
Immunity Challenge time. The game is a long one where several tasks must be completed and this is another combination lock race. That is, at the end, they must dial in the correct 3 number combo in order to raise their flag and win immunity. The first leg is to get through the gate on to the playing field. In order to do so, they must untie several knotted ropes and pull the board that is holding the gate closed. The next step is to navigate a maze of balance beams. If they fall off, they must return to the beginning of the maze. Once they get to the end, it’s on to a net where they collect 5 bags of puzzle pieces but must be sure to get their Own bags (this may become important). Then, Solve the puzzle revealing the clue they need to open the combination locks. What they are looking for are the number of skulls displayed on their solved puzzle, the number of pieces, and ______. Some of these challenges are a little Indiana Jones like.
Opening the gate was pretty simple for most, as was navigating the maze. A couple fell off, I think Christina and Kim did, and put them a little bit behind but it wasn’t too much. Not enough to put them out of the challenge. Within pretty short order, all 5 are on the net collecting puzzle piece bags. Now, These are Tied to the net and must be untied. Alicia (our special ed teacher) apparently wasn’t listening when the rules were explained. She was collecting just 5 bags but not necessarily her Own bags. Meaning, She untied the bags for a couple other members before Probst pointed out her mistake. Giving a slight advantage to a couple other players. Pretty soon, all 5 are putting their puzzles together but Sabrina and Christina can’t seem to even get started. Kim manages to finish her puzzle first followed closely by Alicia and Chelsea. Once all three of them are on the platform dialing in what they think is the correct combo. It isn’t clear where each number belongs so they must try all three combos of the three numbers, assuming they have the numbers right to begin with, Last weeks’ combo challenge, the numbers were in order for them. Anyway, once all 
three have begun dialing the numbers, Probst tells Sabrina and Christina basically, no chance of winning. They don’t stop but he is correct. They haven’t even put together two pieces of their puzzles yet and they have 3 examples to follow. Kim’s, Chelsea’s, and Alicia’s. I don’t know if there was some rule where they couldn’t look or if the puzzles were exactly the same (I would bet Not). In the end, Kim pulls off her third immunity challenge win. I’ll say what I like about her but I can’t take away that she’s good at what she’s doing. Well done, Kim.
Back at camp. I’ll call it a calm scurry as to playing who is going home. Remember during the tree mail walk, It was Chelsea. Kim has noted that there is no part of her that wants to send Chelsea home but she knows that if Chelsea is in the group being voted on, she stands a good chance of winning. She and Kim are shown talking and Chelsea’s idea is for Kim to 
give Her the hidden idol and let the rest of the chips fall where they may. It is noted by someone, I think, Kim, that Christina going to final 3 is a no brainer. I’m going to note here that except with some puzzles, Christina is showing herself a bit. It’s shocking to many that she’s still there as a physical game player but she Is there because they are all convinced they can beat her. Alicia in her TH says she’s feeling confident that she will not be the target and as such, isn’t worrying too much about who May be the target. As far as she knows, it’s Chelsea. One of the last things we see, is Kim telling Sabrina that Alicia is the target. Could it BE? We are Finally going to get rid of the special ed teacher?
Tribal council. The jury is ushered in and all give their death stares to Kim, except Tarzan. I guess he knows he was used and accepts his fate in the game. Maybe Kim promised him money for the shocks on his jeep, I don’t know. You can see the steam coming from Kat’s ears as she looks at this group of vile traitorous women. Probst begins his questioning. Asking how post challenge chat went. They all note that it was actually pretty relaxed. He obviously knows at this point that Kim is the swing vote and the choice of final 4, is Hers. He questions Sabrina who gives her usual it is what it is answer but she has previously noted in TH that if it isn’t Chelsea, it’s probably Her.. Alicia is ready to let the chips fall where they may believing, still, that Chelsea is the target. Then he gets to Kim. Kim, who obviously has all the power at this point, on how she has played the game and what she’s thinking. She notes that she’s grown friendships with all the women and we see Kat shaking her head in disgust (I am too at this point). She is asked how she’s viewed by the jury and she hopes that they give her credit for playing the game. We’ll see if they do. Kim talks about Trust and Kat, under her breath, notes that she has betrayed everyone there. I guess, Kat is still pissed. I hope she enjoyed having Kim at her Paaaaaaaartay.
Go ahead and laugh, I am.
Troyzan can barely look at any of them. It’s Vote time. Alicia votes for Chelsea who votes 
for Alicia. No surprise there. The votes are brought in, Probst asks for the hidden idol, Kim does Not give it to Chelsea taking the hidden idol Out of the game. This was the last chance to play it. Could this end up costing Kim the game? We’ll see (I haven’t yet). Votes are counted, Alicia, is Gone, 3-2 against Chelsea. None for Christina or Sabrina. Hmmmmm. So, did someone turn on someone other than Kim or was it a blindside? Let’s see. As it turns out, the vote was along party lines and Kim is the deciding vote to remove Alicia. In her swansong, Alicia notes she gave up her power by voting out Tarzan who, she earlier noted was her ally in the game. She Congratulates Kim for a game well played, and tells Christina she sucks, not knowing, that Christina voted to remove Chelsea. Now, Did Any of you think for one second that Kim was going to vote off her girlfriend, Chelsea? Me neither.
End of Part 1. Go ahead and take your break, I’ll be here when you get back.
Ready for Part 2? Let’s get to it kids.
The women return to camp and one of the first things out of Kim’s mouth is an apology to Christina for lying to her the entire time. I assume that means the entire game because she’s been lying to everyone. Christina acknowledges she’s been played and notes that she doesn’t have much chance of making final 3 with out winning immunity. She thought it would be her, Kim, and Alicia. With Alicia gone, she knows that’s not the case. Kim and her girlfriend Chelsea are shown confabbing noting that they are praying Christina doesn’t win Immunity. Remember, Both think they can beat Christina if she Were in the final 3.
Tree mail time. Christina takes the walk alone. Pondering her chances in the final day of the game I suppose and noting she has to win immunity to guarantee herself a spot in final 3. The tree mail tells them to walk along a trail marked with each of the previously voted off player’s torches. As they get to each, they give a remembrance and we hear from each of the players. I’m sorry, I didn’t pay close attention only a couple were noteworthy to me. Kat feels like a fool and Tarzan still thinks he’s an alpha male who played Beta for awhile. One thing he said was true, he was the Last Man Standing. The only one who was Truly delusional was Matt. Remember him? Me neither. He says out of all of them remaining, HE played the best game. Ummm, Bullshit. The guy was a dbag the second I laid eyes on him. Colton says, he’s disappointed in himself not to have made it to the end and learned that perhaps it’s not good to be so bitchy. Kat is and forever will be bitter about how it all played out but says she learned a lot and isn’t the same person she was at the beginning. The women all note that they weren’t sorry to see Troyzan go as if he were still there, many of them would not be. These are all of course, paraphrased, you all know I never try to recite verbatim what these people say. Anyway, As they pass each torch they collect a name tag from it and when they get to the end, they hang the tags on a fire stand and light the thing on fire. Tribal burial I guess is what it is supposed to represent.
Immunity Challenge Time. This is an interesting one. Each player has 10 bowls that they must navigate at the end of a pole through a maze of sorts with obstacles. They must then place the bowls one on top of the other on top of this contraption, without any of them falling off. If they drop the bowl while getting it up there, they must put the bowl back on the starting table and begin again. If the bowls fall off of the top of the contraption, they must also put them back on the table and start all over. By the way, this contraption sits on top of a car spring so it is constantly moving and swaying. The slightest mis-touch can send the top stack to the ground. Everything plays a factor or Could, including the wind. The race is actually neck and neck between Kim and Christina right to the end. Chelsea isn’t doing Too bad. Probst tells Sabrina at one point that sans disaster, she’s out of it. In the end, Kim Narrowly beats Christina for her 4th immunity and a guaranteed spot in front of the jury. DAMN! You know, the twists I keep hoping this game will take, are not happening. It’s almost as if Kim has written the script for this entire program. I’ll say it again, I can’t take her game play away from her. She’s definitely Earned her spot on the final 3. Let’s see what happens at the final tribal council.
They return to camp and Christina asks Kim to lay it all out. The foregone conclusion is that she is done. They get to tribal, the jury is ushered in, Probst polls the contestants. It basically comes out that Christina didn’t do much to fight for her spot in the final 3. She puts up a little struggle and tries to say that Sabrina doesn’t really belong there but notes that this alliance has existed since day one. The votes are cast, counted, and if you’ve been following along, you’ll be shocked to learn that Christina is the final member of the 9 person jury.
One last time, back at camp, day 39, the women are treated to breakfast. Each is shown reflecting on the game. Sabrina is a teacher who was laid off 2 weeks before the game. Kim is slapping herself on the back for the game she played. Notes that she was divorced after 4 years and learned in this game that she could depend on herself. Chelsea gave a nice little speech but I honestly couldn’t tell you what it was beyond she’s glad she partnered with Kim. Sorry kids, I’m just not good at noting exact verbiage in these recaps. All think however, they’ve played the best game they could have. The ladies are shown heading off to the tribal council.
Final Tribal Council. This is the part we’ve all been waiting for. The jury is given instruction as to what their job is as are the contestants. Each player gives a last comment to the jury as to how they played the game and why they did what they did. Chelsea, who rode Kim’s tail pretty much the entire way says her piece. Noting that she tried to be friendly with everyone and learn to separate herself emotionally from voting off each of the jury members. She also notes that she pretty much followed Kim’s lead. Kim says that if the jury votes for best player, she has a chance. If they vote on emotion, probably not. She notes that she had a strategy from day one and kept her head in the game rather than playing with her heart. Sabrina’s turn. She goes into the story of her job and not having one anymore. She says that she is there in the final 3 because she held back at times. She figured if she appeared TOO much a physical threat, she would have been gone (I might have some of this mixed up with the Q&A so forgive me please).
Now it’s the jury’s turn to have at them. Most of them rather than ask questions, gave statements. I’m a little disappointed in this but I guess it is what it is. Most notable to me, in no particular order.. Christina congratulates them on making it to the end and her question is to Chelsea, “Why do you hate People?”. I thought that was a bit out of left field 
and don’t really know why she asked. She was there on the island for 38 days though and maybe she knows something we don’t. BTW, ALL of Chelsea’s answers were related to following Kim’s lead. That, To me, makes her the LEAST deserving member of the final 3. Troyzan asks Kim, and her answer will sway (his) votes, when she decided it was time for Him to go. She says when Jonas was voted off. Probst asks if that’s the right answer. No comment. Tarzan laments about having his wife on the island in a long drawn out speech. Glad you had a good time Tarzan and glad you got to have your wife with you on the island for a few minutes. Must have been nice. Alicia lets Kim know that they were both playing exactly the same type of game. Saying that she believes she’s one of the best players there. If she hadn’t lost her crew, Tarzan, she’d still be there. Ummm, No, I don’t think so. I’m surprised she lasted as long as she did and didn’t get kicked off just for wearing that slore looking bathing suit. Whatever Alicia. Probably the biggest surprise of all to me, was Kat. No questions from her but she revealed a secret she had been keeping. That she had 2 open heart surgeries when she was 12 and would need one later on, which is coming a year from now. She notes that she hated All them bitches (that’s my word, not hers) for voting her off but has let it go. Life is too short to hold grudges and she implores the rest of the jury to follow that feeling. She asked the jury to vote for the best player rather than against the one they hate the most.
Vote time. The only ones they show are Troyzan who votes for Sabrina. I guess Kim had the wrong answer. They also showed Kat’s vote, for Kim. I guess she followed her own advice. The rest of the votes are cast. If you set your DVRs to record this show and didn’t catch the next hour, you are left hanging not knowing who wins. You have to tune into the reunion show in order to find that out. Old time watchers of the show won’t be surprised by that. Probst tells the players that the votes will be counted in the United States on the final show.
Okay Kids. Take a break, stretch, have a cup of whatever, let the dog out or even take him for a walk.
Start of the reunion show.. Probst begins reading the votes. Neck and neck between Kim 
and Sabrina for a 4 votes but then Kim gets the next 3, making her the 24th winner of the game. AWWWW SHIT! The liar made a liar out of me. Damn! Oh well. Enjoy your prize Kim. Didn’t anyone vote for Chelsea? Could it be that she Really Does Not like People? Or is it that she just rode her pals’ tail all the way through the game. I suspect, the latter given who Did win.
Now it’s time for the reunion where some of these people have to answer for their actions. We have Colton, the bigot. He still is a bigot. His mother apologized for him as he did but I’m not buying it from him. Probst notes that ‘on the street’ people were most disgusted by Him. When they reviewed things he had said, “Munchkins from Oz”, “I have black people in my life-servants” and the like, I was reminded all over again of why I hate him so much. It is noted that him, being gay with all the societal backlash that goes with it, might be a little more accepting of different people. His mother says that even though he came out at a young age, he wasn’t accepted by and still isn’t, by everyone in his family. All the more reason IMO he ought to be a little more careful in his interactions. He even admits his friends cringed at his actions while watching the show. Probst asks the audience if Colton was Russel Hantz mean, as someone you love to hate, or is he just someone you hate. The reaction I got from the crowd, is they hate Colton for being Colton.
We get to Tarzan and his wife. He’s a surgeon, board certified, retired, and frugal. His wife is his soul mate and with 30 years (THAT SHE DEVIL AUBRY WAS JUST FIRED HOOOORay!!!!!!!!!!!!. SHE is ‘TRANSPARENT’. No Shit Sherlock-Trump) they must be doing something right. His wife gives a simple formula to the success of the marriage and basically it’s being truthful, respectful, and true to one another. Sounds simple, Right? Too bad more people can’t be that way.
Kim- is healthy and she’s just happy for that, right now. She’s the nut on the island but I have to admit, all cleaned up and dressed up, she looks nice. Of course the biggest shock from her was her speech at final tribal but she’s still the nut.
Monica, the ex-NFL players wife was finally able to be the star in her husband’s eyes rather than chasing him around. Doing something for herself.
Alicia- The special needs student comment toward Christina. She’s getting the wrath of that statement. Says she sorry she ever made that remark. She says things are said and done in the heat of the game but I think we saw the REAL Alicia here on the season. I wonder if it’s about to cost her her job. As for her half tearful apology, I’m calling bullshit right here and now. She was really trying to squeeze out the tears here and almost succeeded. That isn’t a comment made in the heat of the game, she is truly a vile person. Just like her pal Colton. Many of you here have special needs kids or know someone who has. Another person who does is my favorite YouTube recapper (madrosed) who has a 19yo Autistic son. If all of you and this recapper say Alicia isn’t fit to teach these kids, It’s good enough for me.
Leif is still insulted by the Oz comment from Colton. He says he’s proud to have represented his community of little people and has received a hell of a response from his peers. We even got a shot of his wife in the audience, also a little person. Probst says that’s some fancy directing to get an unplanned shout out to shot of the person that quick. Okay.
Mike is asked why he agreed to give up immunity. He states he was convinced that otherwise, HE was going home. Now that doesn’t make any damn sense to me. If they Had immunity, no way would he have been voted off. The Men, were Winning at that point. Dumbass move there big fella. Remember, it had to be Unanimous for it to happen.
Jonas wishes he had played a better game but it was his dismissal after the merge that was the beginning of the end for the men. Before then, it was tied up again genderwise. I think it was 6-6.
Time to reward the public voted most favorite player. In the running are Chelsea, Tarzan, Troyzan, and Kim. Chelsea and Tarzan are out of it right away. The winner is Kim. Shocker. Probst tells Troyzan he was among one of the better received players and asks him what the response has been and it’s been 99.9% positive. When asked why he didn’t win he says it’s because the number of number of bottom feeders (my words) not able to make a move. Most moves made, as noted by others as well, were to just get to the next day. Going along to get along. Probst notes that No one wins the game without making big moves. Even the supposed underdogs who have won in the past have done so by making moves. Not just sitting there and hoping for the best.
In the end, all of the men admit they were outplayed by the women and that’s all there is to it. Kim made the big moves and that’s why she’s sitting there with the big checks.
Next season in the fall, Season 25. Three Players who have been evacuated due to injuries or illness will get a second chance. There were Two this season. Cortney on the first challenge broke her wrist and of course, the bigot, with appendicitis. They didn’t say WHO the returning players would be however, The game will be played in the Philippines and there will be THREE tribes to begin with. Will it be interesting? Let’s hope so. If it is, and I’m still here, I’ll recap it again.
Here are a few of my final thoughts on the show. For me, there weren’t really enough 
twists and turns. The way the show was edited together, it was never much of a surprise who was voted off. I think the last real twist for me was when Colton talked the men into giving up team immunity so he could get rid of Bill. Let’s be real about Colton. He didn’t like playing with the black guy. The only reason Christina made it as far as she did was because Colton got sick and had to be medivac’d off of the island. At that point in time, Alicia wanted nothing to do with Christina and was later using her only for votes. Overall, I found the season a bit too predictable and hence, boring. Even the challenges got predictable. Is that because some were SO much stronger than the others or was it because the others held back not caring if they won challenges or not? I think it’s a little of both. It had it’s moments and at times could have gone either way but most of the episodes, particularly at the final 8, I would say, became Too predictable. The point where Jay was dumb enough to tell the women that Troyzan had the idol, I knew it was over for the men. The editors would try and inject a little excitement into it while the players were trying to decide who to vote off, even though the decision had already been made. Excitement with a little thriller music thrown in at times for effect. Nice try CBS.
None of that is saying it wasn’t fun to watch for the most part but it was more fun for me to share it with all of you. Were it not for your interest in reading what I had to say about it, right or wrong, I probably would have stopped watching long ago. Don’t think for one minute that any of you forced me to watch though. Lynn told me at the start if it got to be too much like a job, just say so. I’m happy to have done it but I’m equally happy that it’s over. The only thing that I am Not happy about is that I’m forced to eat my words, “Kim cannot win this game…. ” and I forgot to buy ketchup at the store last night. Those of you who disagreed with me when I said that, you were Right, I was Wrong. Not the first time, probably won’t be the last 
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Peace, Kids. It’s been Real .
What a great season, thank you so much MelTheHound for amazing recaps throughout the show! Lynn~
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Mad Men Episode 9: Dark Shadows by Aurora
Someone is preparing a very light breakfast, weighing their food. Uh, oh it’s Betty. The Weight Watcher’s diet. Hey, I know for a fact this diet has helped many people. Didn’t Jessica Simpson just sign a 3 million dollar deal with them too?
The big guys, Bert, Roger and Don are about to ride the elevator to the offices when Pete rushes in and as they get there he informs them that his “new” best friend from the New York Times wants to interview him about “hip agencies.”
Don is looking through ads to put together a portfolio as Joan looks on and notices that most of the copy is Ginsberg and Rizzo’s work. “Peggy really got buried with Heinz.” Don tells Joan. ”Yes, they are mostly Mr. Ginsberg.” Joan replies. She points out all the great work that Don has done as creative director and suggests that he include “the letter.”
Bert Cooper enters Roger’s office and talks with him about wooing Manischewitz, after all he is married to a Jewish woman. Yeah that makes him so much more in touch with Jane’s “people.” Problem is he hasn’t informed Bert that they are getting a divorce. Looks like Roger is going to have to suffer through a client dinner with his soon to be Jewish ex-wife. What people will do for new business!
At the Draper Manhattan digs “cute” Megan is teaching Sally how to cry on cue. Sally uses the technique on Don as he walks in the room to ask for colored pencils for her class assignment. She has to work on a family tree. Sounds like trouble to me!
Don is sitting in his office looking tired, as he is getting ready to leave he turns out the light in the copywriters office and notices a folder “shit I gotta do,” and opens it to find Sno Ball tag lines that Ginsberg has written. Don chuckles as he reads them.
Betty and Henry are stuck in the downtown Manhattan traffic trying to pick up the children. Henry points out that he is double parked and Betty tells him she will go up to the apartment and get the children. “Plump” Betty enters the apartment and tells Sally to get her brother’s so they can get going. She looks around the apartment while she waits and you can see the envy in her eyes and then she sees Megan dressing in the bedroom. The green eyed monster has arrived and how! Megan awkwardly addresses Betty and tells the children goodbye in her “cute” Megan way. Those kids are so lucky to have her as a stepmother is all I can say!
Don speaks into a Dictaphone about Sno Ball tag lines alone in his office. Good lord how I remember those things. Those were the days when some of us could really type up a storm!
Betty yells from the kitchen that she will up to bed soon and promptly goes to the refrigerator and sprays Ready Whip into her mouth. How many points do you think that is? Just wondering. Oh yeah, she spit it out into the sink, doesn’t count.
In the creative think tank, Peggy, Don, Ginsberg and Stan work on the Sno Ball account. Ginsberg has his creative ideas as does Don. Ginsberg is actually surprised how Don who hasn’t written for so long and comes up with a catchy slogan. Tension in the room, get the knife!
Back at the Weight Watchers meeting Betty shares that even though she had a “trying” week she was still able to lose half a pound. Keep looking at Megan and the pounds will just fall off!
Megan and her friend are running through a script for a part that the friend is trying out 
for. Megan starts to laugh as they play out their parts, the friend gets upset and points out how Megan doesn’t have to truly suffer for her craft. Megan points out that even though the part is “crap,” she would still kill for it. She knows she has it good but she can’t help that she is “cute” Megan for gosh sake! Oh and by the way, the part is for a “scary” soap opera called, Dark Shadows.
Ginsberg enters Roger’s office and comments on his polka dot art (the piece is reminiscent of another called “Pause” by the artist Bridget Riley, 1964).
Roger asks Ginsberg if he can keep a secret and he tells him, “No,” straight up. I love this guy! Roger would like him to do some work on a perspective client, Manischewitz and he will make it worth his time if you know what I mean. Boy, Roger sure knows how to negotiate with cash!
In a kitchen we find someone frying a steak in the middle of the night, oh dear it’s Henry. He’s having a problem eating fish five times a week, you think? Betty and Henry have a heart to heart about his job not going anywhere. Betty reassures him that it is just a setback. It’s midnight, will a bite of the steak count for following day on her point scale? Go for it!
Roger asks Jane to attend the Manishewitz dinner with him, she agrees on the condition that he gets her a new place to live that has no memories of the two of them together. Done deal!
Pete is having a lurid dream about his friends wife coming to his office in a coat with not much underneath to seduce him after reading the spectacular article in the Times. Oh, Pete, how delusional you are becoming these days!
Betty is sitting at the table helping the children with their homework, as she organizes Bobby’s papers she finds a very touching note that Don wrote to Megan. Betty is pissed to say the least and tells Sally not to forget to include his “first” wife Anna on the family tree project that she is working on. Poor Sally looks so confused and asks who she who she is Betty tells her to ask Megan since she helped with her project in the first place. Oh, how we hurt our children at times and don’t realize we are truly hurting ourselves!
The SCDP team look at both Sno Ball proposals. Everyone likes both and decide to present them to the clients. I see trouble coming, do you?
Back at the Draper apartment Don is taking the boys out and Sally is staying behind with Megan. Sally barely acknowledges her father as he leaves. “Have fun,” Don tells his wife. Yeah, right! Sally tells Megan that she is a phony and wants to know who “Anna,” is. Megan is very upset and tells Sally that she doesn’t know what her mother has told her but that Anna and her father were only married to help one another and that is it! THERAPY for Sally soon, I see it coming, again!
Back at another Weight Watchers meeting, don’t you just love the coffee and cigarettes? The counselor gives all the ladies advice on how to handle the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday. As far as I’m concerned the holidays can be sabotage for everyone, but I for one can’t help myself during them!
Megan tells Don that Betty has told Sally about Anna. Oh, crap! An argument ensues and Sally wakes up to hear Don and Megan. Megan points out that if Don calls Betty she is getting what she wants, “The thrill of poising us from fifty miles away.” I just love “cute” Megan, and so smart for being such a young woman too!
Peggy is busy at her typewriter in the middle of the night and Ginsberg shows up. He shares with her that he’s working on a “project” for Roger. She tells him he better get paid now especially if he starts telling everyone. He tells her that he already has been paid and maybe he will kick some of the profit her way if she will give him a little feedback. ”I don’t care,” is her reply as she turns her back to him and continues typing.
Don is asleep in bed and the phone rings. He rolls over and Megan has left a note that she has gone to get bagels. The best in New York, just saying! He picks up the receiver and Pete is on the line in a panic telling him that the Times article came out and the agency wasn’t mentioned. They have a heated exchange and Don tells him “Don’t wake me up and throw your failures in my face, it’s Sunday for Christ’s sake.” You tell that weasel Don!
Sally, Bobby and Gene are awake and are watching their father on the phone. Don tells the boys to go back to their room and asks Sally if she has something that she would like to ask him. ”No,” she tells her father. ”You do but you thought it would be better to ask Megan,” Don tells her. ”She wasn’t supposed to say anything,” is Sally’s reply. ”And what was she supposed to do exactly?”, Don asks. ”Not lie again,” is Sally’s response. ”Well I’m sorry it’s my fault that you have to think about things like this, your a little girl.” Don tells her. ”I’m not a little girl!” Sally says. ”Then you should realize that your mother doesn’t care about hurting you, she just wants to hurt us.” Sally has an epiphany as Don explains his relationship with Anna his first wife. Sally remembers going to the house that Anna lived in California and that she called Don, Dick. She asks her father about this and he confirms her thoughts and tells her that he wished that she had met Anna. I really liked Anna too. Don explains to Sally that she needs to apologize to Megan for her behavior and she agrees. This was a very touching moment in this episode by the way.
Peggy tells Roger in the elevator that he is not loyal and only thinks about himself. Okay everyone isn’t that how a lot of executives can be?
In a cab we see Ken Cosgrove, Harry Crane, and Don going to the Sno Ball meeting. Don is looking over the story boards and “accidentally” leaves Ginsberg’s stuff on the seat of the cab. Whoops!
Betty is in the kitchen on the phone, she hangs up and calls for Sally to come into the kitchen. She informs her daughter that she got an A plus on her family tree project and that she is very proud of her. Betty tells her that she should also thank Megan for helping her with the project. Oh and by the way did Megan discuss Anna with her, oh yes Daddy (Don) showed her pictures and spoke very fondly of her. Sally earned herself some TV time and a major jab at Mummy! Caching!
At the Manischewiz dinner Roger impresses his prospective clients. The son of the clients shows up late and you can feel the attraction between him and Roger’s future ex-wife.
At SCDP Harry tells everyone that Don’s Sno Ball concept was a hit. Ginsberg is pissed that his idea wasn’t even pitched, and oh yeah your stuff “accidentally” got left in the cab. Uh, oh! Peggy smirks and tells Rizzo that she is going to order some dinner. Rizzo thinks that it’s a good idea especially now that Ginsberg will be useless tonight!
In the cab Roger tells Jane until he closes the deal to pretend they are still married and oh yeah he would like to see the new apartment. Not a good idea in my book! One thing leads to another and kaboom the clothes come off! Now Roger has ruined it for Jane. So sorry he tells her, yeah right!
On the train Peter talks with his buddy Howard as he brags about how he is going to spend 
as much time with his little girl on the side before the Thanksgiving holiday. Pete’s response, “Why don’t you spend Thanksgiving with her and I’ll go to your house and screw your wife.” Howard laughs. Don’t laugh to hard Howard, we all know that Pete has screwed your wife.
In the elevator Ginsberg confronts Don about the Sno Ball situation. ”I feel bad for you,” Ginsberg tells Don. ”I don’t think about you at all,” is Don’s reply. I hate to think the “bad” Don is back, but.
Megan sets the Thanksgiving table, don’t you just love cranberry sauce out of a can? Megan tells Don that her friend got the part and she is going to buy champagne to celebrate. Oh and by the way don’t open the windows because the radio says there is a smog emergency! Remember those everyone?
The Francis family sits down for their Thanksgiving dinner and as they are about to partake Bobby want’s everyone the say what they are thankful for. Everyone gives thanks and poor Betty has to eat her small portion. Damn that Weight Watchers! lol
I hope everyone had a fantastic Sunday and a good week to come!
Thanks – Great job Aurora! Welcome home! (Aurora was in Hawaii!) xoxo Lynn~
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Jerseylicious by Meredith
I’m officially convinced that Mikey does not have a job besides working out with Filly. It’s clearly the most interesting thing he does since they only film him working out or dresses up Amish (that was a weird episode). So, Mikey and Filly are –guess what- working out and having a full on bromance over their triceps when Olivia walks in to work out. And what is Miss. Thang wearing to the gym? A full face of makeup, hot pink lipstick, false eyelashes, a neon yellow leo with long black spandex underneath and, of course, a long pair of medallion earrings. You have got to be kidding me. During Olivia’s “grueling” workout where she doesn’t break a sweat (probably afraid to lose a falsie) she decides it’s time for Mikey to get a job (she doesn’t put it quite like that) and make a workout video. Filly and Mikey are all over the idea and they all decide they should do a fitness video together, for women, and put it on Olivia’s blog, so it can go viral and make her blog a huge success. Brilliant.
Ant has a few more pressing issues on his mind than his biceps; his new salon opens in four days and there is still a lot of work to be done before it’s Tuscan themed Grand Opening (Yes I said Tuscan themed-only in Jersey). There are still faucets to be installed, electricity to be fixed, counters are missing, it sounds like a lot for 96 hours, but if things were going smoothly it wouldn’t make for good TV now would it? Mrs. Giove turns the heat up a notch when she reminds Anthony that the reviewer from Salon Search, a website that reviews new salons for potential clients, is coming to the opening, which only raises Anthony’s blood pressure some more. If Mrs. Giove wasn’t loaded and financing this operation, I don’t believe Anthony would put up with her crap. There are times where he is so clearly frustrated with her that it’s hard to believe he really agreed to go into business with her.
But oh it gets better. If Mrs. Giove’s soothing words were not enough to calm Anthony down, her present to him is clearly going to send him over the moon. For the Grand Opening she has hired a juggler, an opera singer, and a mime. What part of Europe has she visited where this is the height of European Elegance? It sounds like a freak show. Anthony is clearly confused and remarks that he hopes the Mime also moonlights as an electrician because that is what they need more than anything. The more I watch, the more I believe this is just a fun pet project for Mrs. Giove. She is more interested in the party than the actual salon.
Back at The Gatsby, Gayle is having a secret phone tryst with an unknown gentleman 
caller. She quickly hangs up when Christy walks in and tries to convince Christy to close for her so she can go out with “friends”. Christy presses for details (annoying much?) but Gayle won’t budge. Christy also brings in a gift basket from Mrs. Giove inviting The Gatsby to the Grand Opening of AR Salon. Clearly this is not extending an olive branch, but instead Mrs. Giove’s immature way of rubbing the new salon in Gayle’s face, a conclusion that Gayle immediately jumps to. I have to agree with Gayle, if you hate the woman so much, Mrs. Giove, want good intention do you have inviting her to your salon’s opening?
Planning is underway for the workout video. Since Mikey can’t write he has drawn out stick figure pictures of the four of them (Brielle has been included in the mix because although she has an IQ of a six-year-old, she is hot and that’s what is important for this video) to sketch out what the video will look like. Filly chimes in with an actual creative idea of calling it “Lean in Fifteen”, which Brielle ruins when she interjects that she hopes they can do exercises to make her boobs look better. Honey you have implants! What more can you possibly do that you haven’t already done?!
After showing up late to the salon in her slippers, Gayle finally opens up to Christy about the secret she has been keeping. Gayle has been seeing someone for the first time in a decade. Wow. Instead of being happy for her mother, Christy jumps down her throat for not telling her sooner. Then Gayle mentions that she wants to bring Seth (mystery man) to Anthony’s opening, which Christy also lambastes as an awful idea because apparently going to a work event is the equivalent to meeting the parents in Christy’s world. Christy worries that if it doesn’t work out it’s more people to un-tell. Um, hello, earth to Christy, Gayle’s been divorced 3 times, clearly people are used to her relationships not working out.
Olivia and Brielle look like a poor man’s Wonder Woman for this workout video, but I must say, oh my Filly how wonderful you look without a shirt on! Seriously, I might have just been inspired to go to the gym (keyword: might). The rest of the video is a disaster. They clearly haven’t practiced, it’s being filmed on a Flip Cam, and the girl’s can barely do the exercises. My question is, how are they so thin if they never work out? Man, I hate girls like that!
It’s 24 hours before blast off and it’s all hands on deck at AR. Frankie has made a surprise return to help Anthony with some finishing touches. It’s pretty big of him to do that for Ant considering his breakup with Gigi. Olivia is also there sans makeup and she looks gorgeous! Seriously, I wish she wouldn’t pencil her eyebrows or wear as much bronzer; she looks so good natural (which is probably not what you want to hear as a makeup artist). Anthony stresses no drama for the opening; if you don’t think you should do it, don’t do it. (Yeah right.)
It’s finally the Grand Opening! At first I wasn’t too sure about the grey and neon yellow color scheme of AR, but all together it looks fantastic. Modern, sophisticated, with a few pops of colors that compliment the overall scheme. Also the neon yellow brick backsplash is to die for. Perfect for Ant! The staff is pumped and ready to get cutting. Despite how gorgeous it looks there are still a few things missing like switch plates, but Mrs. Giove thinks that they are small details and Anthony is micromanaging. For one, I have to agree with Mrs. Giove. It’s not 100%, but does anyone expect it to be? It’s like a housewarming party, the house is set up but rarely is it completed.
Everyone heads outside for the ribbon cutting ceremony, but not before Jess, the new makeup artist, makes a joking remark to another stylist about hurrying up or she might get kicked in the head. This is obviously a hit on Olivia and Tracy’s infamous bar brawl from last season. Olivia picks up on this right away and confronts Tracy about spreading their history to the new stylists, which of course turns into a huge shouting match with a lot of “fake bitch” being thrown around (can’t these women get a thesaurus? I’m sick of the same insults week after week!). I don’t even care about the argument, in this case they are 
both selfish brats. This is Anthony’s day. He shouldn’t be referreing fights. Even as he tries to calm them down they continue to go at it, with Olivia finally storming out telling Tracy she is, “so fake, bro.” (Someone is picking up Mikey’s lingo). Anthony shouts that he is disappointed in the both of youse, which is like your favorite teacher telling you, you failed him. Ouch.
Speaking of fails, Mrs. Giove’s outfit. You are a grown woman who breastfed two children, you can’t go braless! Her bosoms could have doubled for a broom to sweep hair off the floor. Also, a good pair of spanx should be in every woman’s wardrobe (Jill Zarin might have some on sale!)
Christy finally meets the mysterious Seth before Anthony’s event. It’s pretty uneventful. He seems like a nice normal guy who Christy grills like a disapproving parent. Sheesh!
Back at the event, the reviewer has finally arrived. The reviewer is confused by the Mime (so are we all). Another late arrival is Gayle who shows up with full support for Anthony and only has glowing compliments for his salon. That was very big of Gayle and seeing her so happy with Seth is a nice change of pace. Christy sees it to and apologizes for judging too harshly, but does have an excuse for her erratic behavior: She’s pregnant! I knew she was the pee stick tester at the salon! Who else would test at their place of work?
The review is up for AR and it gets five stars. I have to say it is a unique spot especially for Verona, NJ and we all know that Anthony has poured blood, sweat, and tears into his business. Congrats to Ant!
Next week we have a launch party for Gayle’s Gatsby products, another fight (this time 
Miguel starts the shizz), and an engagement! See you then!
Great job Meredith! Thanks for the fantastic write up on Jerseylicious! Lynn~
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It wouldn’t be Sunday night with the Jersey Housewives without a few Tweets from our favorite Giudice daughter, Miliana-
@TheFauxMilaniaG North Carolina just got more disgusting than my dad after 5 crunchwrap supremes. #LIFEFAIL
@TheFauxMilaniaG just heard this new @Danawilkey single. my ears just fell off and i am officially embarrassed to live on this planet.
@TheFauxMilaniaG Also, like, be serious, America. Name one person who actually wants to get married in North Carolina anyway.
@TheFauxMilaniaG @CarolineManzo C, when did your boobs get so big? is this a menopause thing too? i’d like to know for the future. holla back.
@TheFauxMilaniaG YOU KNOW IT. RT @Bravotv The party can start now that Milania has arrived! #RHONJ
@TheFauxMilaniaG i’m training for the olympics. saving my fancier dives for london this summer. #RHONJ
@TheFauxMilaniaG cancer in your arm? ok, you just made that cancer up. #RHONJ
@TheFauxMilaniaG oh great. gia acts like a crazy person next week. WELCOME TO MY LIFE. #RHONJ
@TheFauxMilaniaG tre does need someone – a stylist. you’re welcome. i’ll be here all day.#RHONJ
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Lynn, you correctly note that a critical element in the ongoing conflict between Teresa and her brother is that she expects him to put her first in his life, above Melissa, just as she says that she did early in her marriage. She seems to be unwilling to acknowledge that this choice on her part was wrong, that it caused problems, that it is inappropriate and unreasonable to now expect her brother to do the same thing. She is tormenting him and everyone associated with them, because he is unwilling to sabotage his marriage for her.
Hey – Good Morning Everyone! Happy Monday.
I agree. And Juicy isn’t helping the situation by constantly calling Tre’s family members nasty names. Frogface? Horseface? He was being mean just to be mean. And repeatedly calling Joey a b*tch was awful. What if Gia had overheard that conversation? IMO, everyone in this family is out of control!
I don’t doubt that Gia hears every nasty thing that they say about the Gorgas and Wakiles and the Manzos and Lauritas, too. I suspect it has something to do w/her new meltdowns this season.
your correct. I mentioned that last night because I couldn’t understand people saying that Theresa was making sense last night. I was very confused by all the Theresa love/Melissa hate. I am NOT fanatical Team Melissa as I think both she and Joe(y) have not handled certain things correctly, but I think the root of the argument is Theresa’s fault.
The root of the argument is that the Gorgas and the Wakiles aired out the family dirty laundry to the public. This fued should not be the world’s business because Melissa needs to be “On Display” or Kathy needs to have the world try “Red Velvet Cosmo”. Joe Guidice and Richie Wakile both say hurtful thinks about their wives’ family. If Kathy’s argument is that Richie is just fustrated with all the drama than the same argument should be applied to Joe Guidice. According to Richie, if Teresa is a cancer on your arm that needs to be cut off, then why did you join the show. Instead of cutting off his arm, he contributed to spreading the cancer to everybody else.
I love this post Lee, I read Kathy’s blog and it made my eyes roll. Every week we have seen them pile on Teresa, with Richie leading the charge full of profanity laced insults…and it gets chalked up to frustration. But Joe makes a one word dig (and Teresa definitely looked on comfortable) and Kathy is saying she is hurt that T didn’t put a stop to it. Maybe because it didn’t really last long enough…
I agree and love this post as well. Teresa may be screwed up in a lot of ways, but…..SO……ARE…..THEY.
I don’t know. I try my best to focus on my own backyard because that’s all I can control (sometimes). My Dad can be very judgmental and critical, but he gets frustrated with me because every time he tries to point out something about someone else, I’m like, “Yeah, but what about the time that you [or another family member] did this? Do you really have room to talk?”
It pisses him off, but it shuts him up because it’s usually true. I love my Dad, but he can be a “Judgy McJudgerson.” I think that’s why Caroline’s constant judgments and hypocrisy irritate me so much.
You hit the nail on the head! and everything these 2 families do and say is Teresa’s fault. Go figure
It’s important to remember that during the entire first 2 seasons Teresa called the Manzo’s and
Laurita’s her family. consistently through out
the first 2 seasons she called them her family.
I can see how this would have infuriated the
Gorga’s and Wakiles. She dissed her own family
and that has alot to do with why they wanted to
be on the show and why Bravo snuck them on as well. That’s also why she did not want them on.
She made her own family out to be monsters-
That’s why Caroline and Jaqueline went out of
their way to snub Kathy and Melissa during the first half of season 3. That’s when they started to realize how dysfunctional the entire relationship between Ter and Joey was, and maybe it wasn’t completely one sided-
Teresa got called on a lot of the things she said regarding her family and she just doesn’t know
how to squeeze herself out of it, Her brother is right in the one aspect that she does not know
how to apologize or even admit to herself that
she may be wrong for putting her brother before her husband(who asked her to?? and
can anyone blame Juicy for hating him for
that?? Did she not hear the vows she repeated
at the alter??) She’s paying for that now and I do feel so bad for her because she just doesn’t
GET IT— Once you get married, you FORSAKE
ALL OTHERS!!
JUicy needs help. he is in such a funk and is so busy blaming everyone else for his problems-
poor Teresa, she knows he is useless now-
everything is on her shoulders and she is doing everything in her power to create something for herself and her family. If she got over her hate
for Melissa and used that energy that she wastes
on trying to cause problems for them she would
be soo much happier. she needs to move on.
And I hate to say it, but she needs to either leave
Joe or get him some help, because he is ruining her life.—–Dare I say that if he encouraged her to move on with her family and except them for who they are, horseface and all, Teresa and her kids would be so much happier.
IMO- we all have such strong opinions on these people and their situations because we apply
what they are going through to our own lives and our own situations. Often when reading someones post you’ll see someone say “I have
a SIL just like Melissa, and she is a snake” or
“My husbands sister is just like Teresa and I can’t stand her” or “I worked with someone just
like so and so”…….. you get my drift.
Just as Lynn said the RHONJ is really all
about family- and as convoluted and poisonous as these families are, they really are JUST like
us- and however you fit in your family dynamic
you will see a little piece of your own life in the craziness that is The Real Housewives of
New Jersey. We all have a Teresa or a Melissa or a Caroline or Joe in ours lives.
imo
Great insights, NJBev – I think that you are spot on here.
You’ve never called good friends family? I know even my parents had friends I called Aunt so and so and Uncle what’s his name. Tre just doesn’t express herself well. Did Tre ever say Caroline and Jac is her ONLY family? And just the fact that Kathy and Melissa came on the show to begin with to destroy Teresa, and yes that’s why they joined (why else would Melissa being contacting Danielle to get on), that’s reason enough to snub them IMO.
of course I’ve had friends that I consider family. Friends are the family you get to choose-
But I make it a point to not
speak poorly of my blood relatives
to my “family friends”
I don’t believe in unicorns,
I can see that your a big fan of Teresa and that’s OK you can like and love her. The thing is sometimes when I read your posts your trying to right Teresa’s wrongs in a sense you know what I mean. We can watch the show and come to different opinions but your basically calling Melissa a liar because she didn’t reach out to Danielle, Danielle reached out to her but it wasn’t about getting on the show. Melissa hasn’t given any reason not to believe her.
I agree with ya NJbev. Teresa has raised so much hell and hurt more people than anyone in the history of the real house franchises and we know now that includes her own family.
Teresa is popular only because of her bad behavior and she has a fan club based on that.
Bravo and Andy did not hire the Gorga’s because of Bravo commitment to family values. Also I have friends that I call family. I may see them more then my own family. Also the feud was in full swing before the Gorga’s joined the show. They wanted to be on the show because in part, they wanted to hurt Teresa because she did not want them making her life a living hell, not because Little Angel really cares about the process of family. Everyone on the show wants to blame Teresa for not being a good sport, but I will say this. She does not do what Kim Richards, Kim ZeeBee and Dina Manzo did, which was to refuse to film with the enemy. I am worried because several of the cast members have said that the show will get better as the season goes on. Does this mean that these people are going to send Teresa over the edge or too a mental hospital for rest. At this point, they seem hell bent on publicly destroy her, with great glee included. No good can come from this. Really! IMO.
NJ Bev…..Excellent points!
Ifeel 100 percent the opposite everything in Teresa and joe g ‘s world is someone elses fault. All their problems are all because Melissa wanted to come on the show and Sing. Really ? Did that really have a thing to do with their legal problems? Joes DUI ?
Delia…..AMEN!
Lee, maybe he ( they joined the show ) because its a show it’s not the Teresa show. There’s other things beside Teresa and she I’m sure wasn’t his reason for joining. More opportunity for them than anything and if that creates a positive in his life or any others then why not join.
Melissa contacted Danielle and sold Teresa out way before she even got on the show. Very well may be that Melissa wanted on the show for her singing career, but Bravo wanted her for the conflict with Tre and she knew that very well because that was her sell all along.
You know this because you read it somehwere? How do you know thats even true IDBIU?
I chose to believe Melissa’s version since I have no reason not to believe her.
If I remember correctly, Melissa kind of admitted to it but kind of minimized their interactions. But I think it was a lot more contrived than Melissa let on.
Honestly, who else would it come from? What advantage would there be for some perfect stranger to bring up Teresa’s family dramatics which had to have a grain of truth to them to be a source of contention?
The truth is, none of the viewers knew of or really gave a shit about Melissa until the moment Teresa jumped up from the couch.
The shit had just hit the fan and already Melissa and her gaggle of sisters created a fan page for themselves on twitter and FB.
Some things are just too convenient to be coincidental.
Danielle had everything
to gain by digging up dirt
on ALL of the girls
on NJ.
Danielle contacted Melissa
first to get the dirt on Tree
before the reunion-
she also got Dina booted
off the show in the long run which ended up ruining Dina’s relationship with Caroline and Jackie.
It also ended her career with the housewives as well.
Of course Danielle would want to have stones to throw at them, but what would so random person who is not Melissa but knows enough about Melissa have to gain by helping Danielle…unless of course the end goal was to get Mel on the show. Dina got herself booted from the show when she forged her ex-es name on consent papers that could have landed Bravo in some hot water. Danielle shouldn’t be blamed just for giving on of his family members a producers number to get to the bottom of it.
RR what she admitted to and these were pretty much her own words, she said that Danielle face booked and sent a private message she corresponded with her 1 time. She didn’t help her get on the show Danielle was on her way to being fired if she hadn’t already been do you think that Danielle could influence anyone at Bravo come on. There was nothing sneaky with it she admitted to the question about the Danielle issue. She also answered how she really was contacted by Bravo, Andy was sitting right there..
I didn’t say Danielle helped to get her on the show..or at least that is not what I meant. But Melissa giving Danielle ammo to use at the reunion would get people asking about Melissa…and that would get people interested enough in her…obviously the plan worked.
What is their story line without Tre? It sure is the Teresa show thats all they discuss.
it’s always about someone-
the first 2 years it was Danielle,
and she was easy to dislike b/c it was
clear that she was missing some screws.
With Teresa’s 11 million bankruptcy
and her brother and cousin coming
on she really got the whammy.
Her problems and behavior has consumed most of this cast and has just taken over, Teresa brought her problems out to the world and the show.
It’s true. Teresa has always made it about herself. From year one , the adorable favorite housewive and when the real Teresa came out she started blaming everyone else. It doesn’t seem to hit people yet that everyone has a problem with Teresa . It may be the problem is actually Teresa lol. They see Teresa from season 1 and that’s it. They see Melissa and Kathy as interlopers and the worst kind of betrayers. I just see them as people who were contacted by bravo and we’re sick to death of their out of control cousin and sil and frankly it’s not Teresa’s show!!!!!!!! Why should they turn it down because she’s on it? The utter duplicity of Teresa fans really makes me think there is something very wrong about how people view her , and the affection in which people hold her. It scares me that this is the type of person they stick up for and make excuses for and even go into denial about. When did lying cheating , physically going in and out of rage, child abuse , jealously, superficiality , and ignorance become admirable ?
NMhousewife, I totally agree. Teresa makes no sense. She is just lashing out at the wrong people because she is so unhappy.
I found the whole conversation between Joey and Teresa very confusing. I’m not even sure what the argument is anymore and I don’t think they know either.
I think what it comes down to are two children that still haven’t grown up. They are both married adults with children, time to discover what this new relationship will look like between the two of them and how it will include a harmonious balance with the significant others and the children (bet therapy would help with that one hint hint)
No question Teresa acts very child like she doesn’t make sense she can’t make a point she has a vocabulary like a child she acts like a spoiled brat and is very very selfish.
Her brother is not without his faults but he makes more sense than she does.
I don’t think her brother makes more sense than her. Watching those two go at it is kind of like watching a ground hog try to fight with his shadow.
Can the brother even read a full sentence. When he was banging on the table in Episode 1 season 4, I knew that Jersey had a problem bigger then Teresa. What an intro to reality TV. He and his wife have not let up since. After the Brawl began Melissa did a voice over, where she had to speak very fast to get the full Gorga’s/Guidice fued into the narrative. One large paragraph of pure filth and hate against this whole in-law situation. No wonder the elder Gorga’s do not like Melissa. The show did not have this family dynamic till she came on the scene. We did not see Teresa openly attack and members on her family on screen until the Angel and family can on board. This part is not a very complicated part of the story. IMO.
How do you know the Gorga’s don’t like Melissa I have never read anything like that before. Someone may have posted that out of pure speculation and that doesn;t make it true. If the Gorga’s didn’t like her and if Melissa is the snake that some people thinks she is why hasn’t Melissa brought that up theres not been one word of that infact she says that things are very good with the Gorgas.
There was an article that came out that said they didn’t like her. I have a hard time beleiving Melissa’s statement that everything is all good, given how little boots went after his father at the baptism crying and screaming. Not to mention his accusations that Juicy Joe tried to turn his father against him…nope, not all good, not all good at all.
I couldn’t follow that conversation with what they were saying sometimes they talked over each other. If you go to the bravo site the producer wrote a blog that has some of what was said last night between Joey and Teresa
Good morning! Great recaps everyone. I think I’ll skip the NJ comments today because it’s very sad and nobody (including the kids) is going to come out ahead in this situation. They have all lost something very important – family – and I don’t think they are going to get it back. It’s not Bravo’s fault or the fact that they are all on television. This all started way before then.
You are so right.
Just finished watching RHONJ. Had to watch Survivor finale last night and this morning I first watched the show finale of Desperate Housewives (which I thought was excellent). Can’t watch Apprentice till Friday when CNBC reruns it cos I couldn’t DVR it. I did see the final two (I was shocked and thrilled that Aubrey was fired), but I didn’t read the recap.
Now as for RHONJ. This is not a fun show to watch. Thanks to each member of the cast. There are no winners; only losers. Like Lynn said, what makes it even harder is that this is family. This isn’t Tamra being nasty to Alexis; they never have to see each other outside of the show.
Maybe it is time, since we know that Teresa and her brother’s relationship is still not good, for them to realize that it can’t be salvalged. Look, Caroline doesn’t have relationships with all her siblings (not that I can blame them). But this family dynamic is poisonous. Joey and Melissa talk in front of their children as well about it. And we see in the coming attractions that Don Caroline (who goes ballistic if anyone talks about HER children) gives her two cents about Gia.
Joe Giudice is so disgusting. You can even see Tre getting embarrassed while he was speaking and saying those horrible names about her family. You could see she was not happy. Now Richie is no saint and is definitely an instigator with what he says about Teresa. But he right about one thing….family therapy. But it won’t happen.
The only good thing about this episode was not as much Caroline. But I guess they made a point of showing the existance of the apartment at the Brownstone. My lord, Caroline totally has the Bravo producers at her beck and call.
As for Survivor, I called Kim the winner and I think she totally deserved it. MTH, in describing Kat you wrote Kim, so that was confusing! Kat so impressed me with her speech. This is the only Survivor I can remember when the final three truly were friends with each other.
Tonight finale of Smash!!
I think that Teresa does become embarrassed when JoeGiud goes on his rants about her family – on screen. I think he does this kind of thing all the time off line, but she knows that it makes them both look bad when he pops off w/the cameras rolling. She needs to put on her big girl pants and tell him to knock it off.
Even if Teresa told him to knock it off, do you think he would?
NO
I noticed the Kim/Kat mistake as I was reading it earlier. I originally wasn’t going to recap the reunion and late, decided to. I guess there are going to be a couple mistakes.
BB your right about that..
thank god for madmen and the killing
if i had to watch these other shows i would surely kill myself
housewives of nj are no longer enjoyable to watch (if they ever actually were at all)
even Bethenny has become as painfull as a trip to the dentist
and in that same vein be aware just how awfull the new Dark Shadows Movie is
not even Johnny Depp can save that turkey
I am a fan of Johnny Depp & Tim Burton. Love their work together. I’m sorry they didn’t do the original soap justice.
Have you been watching the series w/ Ben Cross? It was done in the early 90′s and it’s not bad.
I watched the dark shadows series from the 70′s.
Every afternoon, after school – Kate Jackson’s first series, I believe.
Right.
No I haven’t.
Hey I mentioned you today and here you are. I think Faux Milania sounds a bit like you. I hope that’s not an insult to you.
I enjoy The Killing too but I’m not sure why. I’m glad Holder was saved in the nick of time. I think the other cops would have been respectful of Linden for her loyalty and insistence at finding him. Who wouldn’t want her for a partner now?! Yet they all treated her like a leper. And finally the kid gets to know his father better.
I really enjoy The Killing too. Yesterday’s episode felt like a set up episode for future episodes. It gets curiouser and curiouser.
True. Holder is such a complex character. I like his layers and glad he didn’t get killed off.
Why can’t she get them a permanent place to live? I feel so sorry for her son.
Oh darn! We were so looking forward to seeing that. Thanks for the heads up.
Morning all. Season & series finales were good last night.
I think the entire NJ show has gotten sadder and darker than last year–something I thought could never happen after last season! Whether or not who’s wrong and who’s right the previews for next week have me fuming. I cannot stand Caroline. Who is she to judge how Teresa raises her children. I really think children are off limits. She is lucky that no cameras were around when her children were young, because I doubt she wouldn’t be happy with her child rearing skills 100% of the time.
This season is all Gorga, Giudice, Wakile conflict with commentaries from the Manzos and Lauritas…I don’t know if I’ll last a whole season watching this!
I definitely can’t watch a whole season of this. The only time I smiled during last night’s episode was watching Rosie’s bellyflop. The rest was just hard to watch. Whether we’re Team Melissa, or Team Teresa, it’s still sad to watch this family rip each other apart.
Lauren Ive only watched 1 full show weeks after it originally aired. I’ve tried to watch but just turn the channel.
I so agree with you. I think it’s the fact that we’re watching not just friendships, but families implode for entertainment is a tough pill to swallow.
I haven’t read all the comments yet. Faux Milania sounds a little like DJ Fruitloops who used to post here at times.
Thank you Aurora for the Mad Men recaps and adding the extras like the Algonquin Round Table and the artist in todays comment. I don’t get the sweet Megan as much as you’re seeing. Just because she isn’t as jaded and mean as Betty doesn’t mean she’s so great. Betty is prettier plump. I saw January in interviews with other cast members and they hardly let her talk. I wonder if she’s kind of playing herself in MM. Who argues with their boss like Ginsberg does? What a spoiled brat.
Thanks to the others especially BB for helping Lynn get reviews posted. I don’t watch most of them but others rave so I know it’s good stuff.
Thank you for the comments, I really appreciate it! I read that the young man that used to play Bobby didn’t get along with January. The actor/comedian Zach Galifianakis said she treated him badly at a party some time ago. I believe that Megan has an edge but that she also has a good heart. I think Betty is a very, very unhappy woman. I remember women like her as a child. My girlfriends mother was a lot like her. Sad for my friend. I think another reason I love this show is the many memories it brings back, good and bad.
I agree that Betty is a very sad character and I wonder if January is mature enough to leave her tv character at the set. I think Liz Taylor took on Virginia Wolf’s character. Another actress from those days seemed to take on an alcoholic character for the rest of her life.
The show does have good and bad memories. I didn’t watch last season at all. A radio talk show mentioned recently the old days when job ads were divided into men and women positions. We forget so quickly which is why we need to relearn lessons so often.
Speaking of the old days I saw a PBS documentary about the CCC that put Americans back to work and when the camps started out they were desegregated and they all got along pretty much. Then TPTB in Wash DC decided they had to be segregated. Sad racist times.
I haven’t watched MM yet, but thanks Aurora and Lynn, and BB and MelTH, and Meredith— The entire cast of MM will be on The Actor’s Studio/ Bravo tonight 7/6. Good times.
OK….am I the only one that heard Joe Gorga call his sister an F ing B*** and a multitude of expletives?
He has called her garbage and yesterday he called her so many names they bleeped it out. I have yet to hear Teresa call her brother any nasty names (yeah her hubby) but not her. I think it is disgusting that the men in Teresa’s lives talk down to her so much. They were both going in circles in that conversation and both wanted each other to admit wrong doing. However, i don’t think it was right for her brother to speak to her using that language….it sends a message that all of the rest of his crew can disrespect Teresa. I do agree that Tre should of put a stop to what her husband was saying like she did last season. However, i smell a bit of creative editing. She kept waving and ignoring Joe in hopes he would stop. In one scene she looks like she is about to say something and they cut to a different scene.
Joe Guidce is gross, however he is the only authentic one infront of the camera. He doesn’t manufacture storylines or come in with a stategy of what he will say infront of the camera. What you see is what you get with him. I am sure the others say even NASTier things off camera….remember when Kathy and Ritchie went to the bathroom and didn’t realize their mike was still on……..hmmmm. Not justifying anything Joe Guidce says, but at least he is staying true to himself….even if he is a moron. Jacqueline just met Melissa and already knew the bad history btwn MEl and Tre. The Dina situation is no comparison. Teresa became really good friends with Jax and they all hang out as a trio. So by the time Dina and Jax were no longer speaking….both still had really close ties to Teresa, because they were both her best friends. Teresa will never win with this crew…hope she stops trying and continues to move on.
Mel – what I saw was all 3 men behaving horribly. Joe, Richey and Joey. Teresa, Melissa, and Kathy have their own issues – but at least the three of them seem to be trying.
Teresa seems to want Joey to put her above his wife and family – and that will never happen. Maybe his mom wants that too and that’s part of the family’s problem. I’ve observed that every time Joey says he’ll be there for the kids T says something like “what about me? I want it to be the same between us as it was before you had a wife and kids.” That just won’t happen – unless he and Mel divorce.
At best this group should be able to get past things and survive in the same space. To go back to how things were – before spouses – before kids – it just not realistic. But they should all be able to show a little respect for each other’s spouses and co-exist. But it starts with the men IMO – they are all toxic.
Authentically gross??? Hmmm… okay… whatever.
I’m pretty sure Teresa called her brother a pansy. And, she called Melissa a ‘fu**ing c***’.
Yep I heard him call her that, and yep I saw him walk away with a lot of bleeping going on. And still, her and Thing will never ever be victims in my mind period can’t sale it to me. I think the Gorga’s have been tortured to death by a countless number of people that have not been given a clear picture of them. The thing is beyond being Gross at this point and as if it weren’t bad enough Teresa makes it worse by getting him in an uproar about it. He’s a criminal.
I agree with you that the situations between Dina and Jac and Teresa and Melissa and Jac and Teresa are completely different. Dina, Jac and Teresa were all friends and were all on friendly terms for quite some time. Also, Dina and Teresa were friends first. Dina introduced Jac and Teresa. Jac knew that there were problems with Teresa and her family. And really Teresa didn’t introduce Jac to Melissa, Bravo did. Not the same thing at all.
Teresa just doesn’t think on her feet fast enough. Just like the comment Joey made about Teresa calling Jac and Caroline her family. So what? I have friends I consider family and I think most people do.
She doesn’t think fast on her feet because she’s used to her husband telling her to shut up. I think he put a chip in her head.
MeltheHound – I was glad Kim won. She controlled the game from the beginning and never made a mistake. It was a Boston Rob (all stars and his final run) and Brian (Thailand early on?) type of game. The women have never managed to stick together – remember Chris taking it from the all women’s alliance as last man standing. I think if they had left even one man – even Tarzan – he would have won. Well maybe not Tarzan since he admitted he was playing for the women all along – - -
I was surprised Chelsea wasn’t friendly with anyone. She seemed nicer than the others – but I wasn’t paying that much attention. Alicia was awful, and Christina useless – so the best 3 ended up in the finals IMO.
Kim had to win. Of the three woman left she was the only one who really played. I don’t think she necessarily played that well it’s just that most of the other players stunk. If Colton had stayed in the game I think things would have gone very differently. But I’m still glad he left.
Alicia was terrible and I didn’t but her tearful apology last night. Like MTH I think we caught a glimpse of the real Alicia. Jeff Probst is wrong when he assumes all Special Needs teachers are in their chosen field because they love working with special needs children. One of my nieces is a Special Education teacher and she has told me some heartbreaking stories about some of her fellow teachers.
I think at some point, both you and Mamaz told me she would win even though I thought she couldn’t. I don’t know if Kat’s speech swayed any votes but it didn’t hurt Kim. As noted, if Colton had stayed in the game, it may have gone completely different. Especially with this cast of sheep.
This is only my second season but I’ve read about Boston Rob.
Allrighty – so we got ourselves the answer as to why Teresa would announce to the world that she was a virgin until she married Joe.
“I know lots of men she went with” says Joe with a sneer (while talking about melissa). “before they were married” he clarifies.
T sees the preview of the show – and voila – she announces to the world that unlike her SIL she was a virgin. So that’s the takeaway from that episode for T? That says a lot about how deep seated and petty her issues with M are. She’s never thought this girl is good enough for Joey – and three kids later, what can M ever do to prove T wrong?
I thought the same thing – set up to serve Joe Giud’s “Melissa’s a tramp” comment. Very nice. These two are a real piece of work.
Didn’t think of that, but I think you are right. Also, it seems to be a precursor to the whole Posche debacle that we know is coming at the end of this season. Teresa is digging herself a hole she may not get out of.
Teresa’s biggest problem is thinking that Joey should put her first before his wife. It’s not going to happen.
I also thought Joe Giudice talking about Melissa’s past relationships was the set up for the stripper set up. I know one thing when guys talk about ex-girlfriends as a women you should know that most of what is said is crap. A lot of men even ones you think are good guys exagerate to other men about the sex. Its like they have to save face by telling how many times they either had it with you or what you were willing to let them do. I had a guy friend (or thought was my friend) in highschool who told a guy that I worked with I did things with him I never did. When I confrounted him about it he tried to say he didnt say it but I could tell he did. Men lie about sexlives all the time. So Joe Giudice saying what he said last night, Teresa should have said it was Bull. We know she would never do that because she hates Melissa and it just proves her golddigger slut line.
The venom that JoeGiud displays towards Melissa betrays two things about JoeGiud: 1) He’s sexually attracted to her and 2) He’s jealous of JoeGorg.
That man is a pig and it’s long past time for Teresa to tell him to STHU.
You said it Lady C! Joe is/was hot for Melissa and she wouldn’t go near him with a ten foot pole! He and Teresa are both so jealous of Melissa and Joe’s relationship, they can’t see straight. If only they could see that their unhappiness has NOTHING to do with Melissa and Joe. They are just miserable. So sad.
You know, I’m starting to realize how much of this is probably about Teresa being unhappy in her marriage. She is all about projection and denial, and rather than deal w/being unhappy w/that oaf that she’s married to, she’ll create conflict and drama w/everyone else around her. If she’d just deal w/that a$$ that she’s married to, everything else in her life would probably fall nicely into place.
Ab. so. lute.ly.
Lady- it hadn’t occurred
to me that he may attracted
to Melissa- great call-
and I 100% agree that
if she could stop worrying
about carrying that idiot
husband on her back, she’d be so much better off!
Her husband, and her hate for
Melissa hold her back from
possibly doing great things
for her girls and herself!
So he’s attracted to Kathy too? Melissa isn’t the only one he calls names.
You said it first LC but I will say it also I agree with you..
What we have here is a Bonnie and Clyde without the guns and the murders. I’m not going to say without the robbery because Clyde has been accused of such yes?!! Seriously that Big PIG is so jealous of Joey he doesn’t know what to do, it looks like he’s going to explode in these previews. Teresa doesn;t have any control whatsoever with him and he’s acting out of control. She doesn’t seem to be able to reel him in and she needs to someone needs to. She’s the only one that can make it better and she can’t even make her end better and she wants people to fix what’s broken, the only thing broken is her and her husband she just doesnt get it she can’t see it. Everything is not OK he’s not OK if he goes to prison it may be the best thing that happens, he doesn’t make income for the family everything coming in is from her and quite frankly alot of people would have kicked him out a long time ago with the way he speaks to her and the horrible way he talks about her own family.
And JuicyJoe knows a lot about Tramps I am sure since he is still dating them while married to Teresa. No question, that that toad of a man is definitely cheating.
I have a different take on that. I don’t think Teresa has the power to call L&S magazine and tell them to print this info. I think these magazines have their reporters ask all kinds of questions that they think can get them to sell copies. We don’t know if a reporter got lucky and asked that question. After all, the magazine controls what they print. The person being interviewed more times than not just answers questions.
OMG I posted about that ! I wasnt sure if anybody caught that..
“Reading between the lines,” I guess that it’s fairly safe to conclude that the NJ season is going to be filled with rehashing he said, she said and wrapped up with another reunion that will escalate into a ragefest. Someone at Bravo needs to pull the plug and do it now. I honestly cannot even comment about who is right and who is wrong because it’s all so pathetically sad. With the exception of Rosie and an occasional Milania funny one-liner, the show has nothing to offer the viewers anymore. Joe Guidice is more than just a bum. He’s an angry, obscene, offensive, appalling excuse for a man. He has been the root cause of the family problems all along, and Teresa continues to enable his behavior by making excuses for what he says and does. I sincerely hope that she sees the light someday.
I don’t know if its really rehashing as it is getting a clearer picture at this point.
What you are describing Vegas Chick is the THING aka Joe Guidice.
Teresa will never admit to being wrong about anything she absolutely will take no responisbility for anything. That’s where there’s a difference between her and her brother and sister in law.
After all she said she’s is the Matriarch of her family but she tells everyone else to fix it.
What has JoGo taken responsibility for? Not saying Teresa has ’cause she definitely doesn’t, but neither does her brother.
I think that even though we see the husbands involved in a lot of the drama in NJ, they have never done the reunion. I find that very suspect and interesting. The other shows the men are in the background, for the most part, but they make a segment of the reunion. I think the males on the NJ may be hard to control in a professional group setting. Maybe?
OMG I meant to say she will not take responsibility.
Over the years, I’ve slowly stopped watching the Real Housewives shows for various reasons. However, I’ve continued to watch RHONJ because…well, these people fascinate me more than any other franchise. I can’t really explain why, but it’s hard to turn away from them. I would really like to sit down with all of these women (and their husbands) and have a group insight therapy session because I don’t feel like any of them really have a grasp on themselves, their feelings, how to express them, etc. They’re all so stubborn and they *do. not. listen* to each other. It’s really frustrating to watch.
I’m not gonna lie, I don’t like Teresa. I actually agree with Caroline that Teresa will not be happy until she sees divorce papers re: Joey and Melissa. And I do think that Teresa wanting to be the center of Joey’s universe (something which is never going to happen now because he’s MARRIED) is selfish, unreasonable, and damaging to her relationship with her brother. But, Teresa is certainly not the only problem in this whole messed-up scenario; everyone has a role to play and everyone is contributing to the madness, whether they realize it or not. Melissa wants respect from Teresa, but cannot find a grown-up way to go about getting it (although…I’m honestly not sure Teresa would ever give Melissa respect because she’s so jealous of her…and no, I’m not Team Melissa); Caroline likes to throw in her hypocritical opinions and further stir the pot; I believe that Jacqueline and Kathy have good intentions, but I think they hurt more than they help sometimes; all the husbands let their machismo bs get in the way of reason and sanity…
It’s all kind of a nightmare. A nightmare that isn’t likely to end any time soon.
AF, this is also a franchise I can turn away from its actually my favorite and I live in Atlanta I’m not that big a fan of the Atlanta franchise.
I think out of all people Teresa has thrown some pretty large stones at Melissa and she’s has taken it. I don’t know if she can continue to bounce back the way she has through all the shit she’s taken thus far. You know if I think about it I would be worn out at this point not to mention embarrased beyond the telling of it I don;t think I could keep trying to make it work in a situation that seems useless because it always continues to get back to where it started. For example it only takes them to go out dinner one time the four of them and if someone complimented Melissa on anything the evening would go south from the next moment on by Teresa, she is showing to be that Jealious it would drive her crazy. All the Gold Digger comments etc, how much shit does she possibly have to put up with. I don’t blame her now if she never talks to Teresa or the thing especially the thing again not after last nights episode it was to much.
I meant to say can’t not can oops.
Yeah, I have to agree that it’s hard not to see Teresa as the aggressor in this fight. I’m not on anybody’s team, as I tend to think most of these women (and men) need some serious therapy. But, I don’t think I believe that Melissa is purposefully trying to ruin Teresa’s life. I’m not jumping on the Melissa-Is-Evil bandwagon simply because I haven’t personally seen her do anything that I deem evil. Childish, certainly but not malicious.
Teresa, on the other hand, seems to have made it her business to destroy Melissa and Joey’s marriage, all so she can have her brother back? It’s insane. Teresa needs to accept that she is not the center of Joey’s universe anymore. It doesn’t mean they can’t be close, but good grief he has a wife and children now. Of course, Teresa won’t accept this fact because she really hates Melissa…although, I honestly think she’d hate any woman who married her brother. But, that’s just my opinion.
You know, it’s interesting rewatching that conversation between Teresa and Joey and listening to her trying to articulate what she wants from her brother. She wouldn’t really want what she claims she wants from him. If, by some miracle, he was able to turn back time and be a constant presence in her life and in her home – her husband would go ballistic. Is that what she’s asking for? And if it is, why?
Lady, she wants her brother to have her back. I think when they were being raised Teresa and Little Angel had each others backs. She wants to still defend her biological family but her brother has not only moved on, but is a ring leader in a quest to bring his mentally and emotionally disturbed sister down to rock bottom. On national TV to boot. On a show she is still a senior cast member on. The poison Little Angel holds in his body, is not below the waist, it is in his brain. IMO.
The poison Little Angel holds in his body, is not below the waist, it is in his brain. IMO.
Oh snap…
That’s another thing that I don’t get – Joe G. hates Teresa’s brother and I think he hated Joey *long* before this whole RH mess. But, Teresa continues to ignore this fact. During their conversation last night, Joey flat out said, “Your husband hates me.” T’s repsonse? “No he doesn’t.” Really, Teresa? So, I agree that Joey being around Teresa’s family all the time would still cause conflict because of her vile husband. It’s like a no-win situation at this point. It’s just sad no matter how you look at it, no matter which side you take…
Teresa is jealous of Melissa because she’s number one in JoGo’s life and Teresa thinks she should be. She really believes this and it’s obvious because she says she put her brother before her own husband. They’ll never get along with that kind of thinking.
MobWives- “Omerta”
humph.
I wonder about Big Ange. Sounds like her tattoo is very much like the Stop Snitchin t-shirts worn in court by (alleged) gang bangers. Boston Mayor Menino controversially threatened to confiscate them from the any stores selling them.
Although they originated in Baltimore-they first showed up here when the mother of an (alleged) gang member wore one to the courthouse where her son was on trail for murdering 10-year-old Trina Persad.
10 years old.
RIP Trinia.
Nice company you’re keeping there, Big Ange.
I agree. I love how Big Ang always says that she dates wise guys because they’re such great men and they know how to treat a woman…yeah, except that they kill people. But, as her son said earlier in the season, going to prison for murdering someone doesn’t make you a bad person…*rolls eyes*
Well she is Mob Wife?
True
Arsenio was the one person when I started this season of CA that I hoped would win.. He is hysterical.. One of my favorite movies is Coming To America and it was on yesterday before CA.. I am thrilled he is in the final two..
One of my favorite moments was when Arsenio was choosing his next person and was like “I’d like the talented.. the beautiful.. the wonderful… Paul Sr.”.. While he was describing what he was choosing they panned to Aubrey and she was certain he was talking about her and doing the whole “yes I am” look and then was like “WHAT?” That was a magical moment for me.. lol
I was also impressed at how Arsenio let each person take on what they are good with and didn’t micro-manage.. I found watching Clay and his team uncomfortable.. I didn’t like the way he treated them and acted like there was a giant spiked flag pole stuck up where the sun don’t shine.. He wasn’t nice at all unlike the other team who seemed to be relaxed and having fun (minus the bad Magic footage)..
Team Arsenio!
Did Clay put lifts in his shoes? He seemed unusually tall this week, taller than Arsenio. I didn’t like Clay’s smug look.
Clay will always gross me out.
@Nomoredrama -
I think you hit a big nail on the head – the NJ men are toxic. I suspect the Joes have something like a Madonna-whore complex working. They want their women to be hot little ones who are perfect traditional wives, and they are allowed to bring all kinds of garbage into the family that the women are supposed to fix and/or shut up about. Teresa is the one who found herself thrust into the real world and she doesn’t know how to talk about it diplomatically or close her eyes to all of it. Both Joes are giant … idiots. Joe Gorga’s underlying theme to Teresa is you’ve changed, you need to go back (to being the old pre-Bravo Teresa?) Well there’s no going back for her. And then he brought his own wife into the mix, while wanting to maintain the old school Italian structure. What a pitifully confused man. For some reason Joe Gorga’s wife didn’t get the kind of respect he wanted from his parents and family. Did he choose a wife who didn’t have a good reputation? Teresa’s fault? Teresa is apologizing and trying to understand this stuff but unfortunately she does have one Joe or the other pulling her down. She is in a really tough situation. And there are so many other layers e.g. ruthless Bravo edits. Until people in that family can just get together and have some fun together without rehashing every single word or deed from the past, they’re doomed. I have to take a long break from this craziness.
EXCELLENT points! Very impressive and thought provoking. ITA!
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/technology/facebooks-mark-
zuckerberg-at-a-turning-point.xml
How will Zuckerberg manage a public co. where ur every decision must be explained & justified, when he is used to doing whatever he wants w:no questions asked or be fired.
Do you think the board of directors are going to push him out? Or is he needed at the helm because he is the ‘face’ of Facebook?
He has too much stock to be pushed out. He would to commit fraud or rape
to be forced now. Besides ppl hope he will continue to be his” genius” self. The issue is w/full disclosure and demamded accountability, how will he do.
Some greats go public, hate it and go start another private co. I have worked mostly for public companies. The one private giant (big as Merrill) went bankrupt in the 80s. 15 year w/public giants followed by starting my own co. I totally perfer my own private company.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/technology/facebooks-mark-zuckerberg-at-a-turning-point.xml
Better
Andy had a book signing in LA last night.
1000 people showed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go ANDY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RHONY alert, they’re rerunning the Bethenny era episodes all day today.
RHONJ was definitely a horror show, still can’t believe the names being flung back and forth at family members.
Wow – it’s been a while – I think I’ll have to check in, just for old time’s sake. Thanks, VV!
It seems that JoeGo and Teresa’s biggest problem is themselves. Like Lynn said neither can have an objective view of what the other is thinking or saying. JoeGo just wants to gloss over everything and continue on no matter what hurt he may have caused his sister and Teresa wants to blame everyone else for her bad behaviour. Teresa saying that Joe was always over to her house and close to her before he got married is very telling of what Teresa expects from her brother. If he is not at her beck and call, whoever (Melissa & the Kids) taking away from her brother/sister time is an issue for her. Melissa could be the sweetest girl on the planet, but Teresa would still treat her like crap because she only see the wife as competition for her time and affection from her brother. Teresa’s need to be the center of attention and in the spotlight has been clear even before Kathy and Melissa came on the show. For JoeGo the fact that Joe Giudice hates him because of how Teresa made him feel and JoeGo will never be able to work it out with him. JoeGo see’s himself as an angel sent from God also shows his need to be the center of attention and no one is supposed to see him as ever doing any wrong. If he does do something wrong its supposed to be forgiven right away and not brought up again. JoeGo feels that just because he’s ready to move on from a fight that everyone should be onboard. I do think Melissa made a dig at Teresa about the frozen drinks, it was her way of saying see how high matenence she is. Theresa make the same digs at Melissa. Joe Giudice is just the biggest piece of excrament on the planet and he just wants Teresa to drop everyone so she never has anyone to rely on but him. That is an abusers trait. I worry for her. The whole Giudice/Gorga family has thier head in the sand and there will probable never be any resolution. Way too much resentment there and no one seems to be willing to let anything go. There always seems to be more new snarky comments made to blow up and add to the old disfuction.
ITA that Juicy Joe exhibits traits of an abuser
Yep, he is an abuser.
If anything, he definitely verbally abuses Teresa.
Definitely, we’ve seen that. He’s verbally and emotionally abusive. She seems afraid to contradict anything he says. Even when he is verbally abusive to the kids, yelling at them to shut up, she just sort of awkwardly smiles or shrugs. Makes he pity her a tiny, tiny bit.
Correction, makes me pity her a tad.
He is an abuser. Bravo needs to put up a viewer discretion warning up on the screen before he comes on screen so adults can clear there children out of the room.
meant to say their
Mel, I am with you on joego swearing at Tre…that is his sister and that was uncalled for. It does not fit into the same issued as all the other men talking badly, including Tre’s Joe. I agree Tre’s Joe is a buffoon, however what you see is what you get with him. But joego cursing out his sister – absolutely uncalled for. He has called her garbage, a beyotch, and whatever else. That whole scene of him doing the cursing and calling himself an angel is reprehensible. I don’t care what the fight is about, that was the essence of the entire episode to me. If my brother did that to me, he would have gotten smacked and I probably would have never spoken to him again. My older sister is married to a Sicilian and let me tell you it is his way or the highway, he has churned and burned so many friends with his ridiculous perceptions of people insulting him it’s crazy. My sister also protects him and gives into him and they’ve been married almost 50 years. I have seen this time and time again with other friends as well. He is not as bad as Tre’s Joe, but pretty close with his craziness. The only difference is my binlaw is educated and uses fancier words. All the other craziness of the show eas eclipsed for me by Joego cursing Tre out, not CUTE.
I couldn’t get past JoeGiud’s nastiness. I don’t think you can just excuse it by saying that’s just who he is. It’s unacceptable and Teresa should be telling him to zip it.
Lady chatterly, I love reading your posts BTW. It looks like we both share the same view on this show.
Thanks, SN!
I agree, that cursing episode was uncalled for and disgusting. It’s funny that Richie was all concerned about friends coming over and seeing how awful Tre and Joe are, but it really turns out that Joey Gorga acted the worst with that language. Even if you’re in a fight and even if Tre isn’t 100% innocent, you should never ever talk to a family member, no less your sibling that way.
Some old school respect.
I really am not Team ANYONE in this family fight. I will say this though, Caroline and Jacqueline with her 15 point blogs need to BUTT OUT! My goodness, even her tweets are about T and what she said or did.
Lynn, in one of your blogs, you said there was no break between filming Seasons 3 and 4. You are wrong. They had a hiatus for 2 months between March and May last year(in case you notice we ended in the winter last season and now summer starting). If Joey was just a man who tells his wife everything, then he should have told his wife that day or the next day about what Teresa said. NOT when cameras are filming. He purposely jumped at the chance to use T’s stupid comment as a storyline. There are a MILLION sister in laws who have a relationship like T and Mel, but when everyone makes it all out to be so much bigger and chooses sides, that’s where the drama starts. I can’t stand Richie just as much as I can’t stand Joe Guidice.
I don’t think the Dina/Melissa thing is at all comparable. Dina and T were friends for years, even before Jacqueline was married to Chris. Dina is the Godmother of Teresa’s daughter. Jacqueline didn’t even know Melissa. Melissa and Joey made it a point to get onto this show by bad mouthing Teresa to Danielle Staub, and they were only hired to bring the family drama. They had no intention of mending the family (Joey calling T garbage season 3 and now telling Melissa on camera about what T said). They knew they were there for a reason, and so did Teresa, so I don’t blame her for wanting people on her side, knowing that Melissa and Joey would try to sway everyone against her. I would feel the same.
I wish Teresa was more articulate so that she could point out to all of them how they are HUGE HYPOCRITES. Caroline doesn’t speak to Dina and Dina, til this day, has made it clear that Teresa had nothing to do with it and also that Caroline was plotting against Teresa. Caroline also doesn’t speak to another brother and his wife. Maybe because she was acting like Teresa? Caroline and Jacqueline clearly had problems in the past, and it was evident in season 1 with Jac’s passive aggressiveness towards Caroline. You don’t punch your sister in law just in the heat of the moment, with no prior problems to get to that point! For Caroline to have any opinion about Teresa and her behavior towards Melissa is a total joke to me. And then next week for Caroline to talk about how T should raise her kids???? IS she kidding me? Calling your daughter stupid and fat while putting the boys on a pedastal? That’s good parenting?
Caroline is just better at hiding her problems, while doing her best to expose T’s. If there was really more to the whole story, then why don’t they say it? I’m sure if there was more, they would say what it is. For them to all get this mad at T for her cookbook comments and her private convo with her brother? Please. They hate that the ‘dumb’ and ‘stupid” Teresa is basically the only reason this show is on the air, while she has also had major success with her 3 cookbooks, as well as being asked to do Celebrity Apprentice. Caroline thought this show was going to be the Manzo Family hour and the shift pissed her off. Plain and simple.
I doubt she thinks Joey talking about his poison all the time is so ‘adorable’. It’s just because she hates Teresa now that she pretends to love Melissa and Joey.
I think Teresa is the type of person who’s always learned to pretend everything is great even if your world is falling apart. Her husband is an ass, and everyone else knows it. Instead of just cutting her a little slack, knowing what she is dealing with, they are pushing every and any button they can to break her. They came on the freakin’ show just to air their dirty laundry and for that, T will always be a step above them to me. She was on the show before them, they hated it, but at least she never used that platform to badmouth her family when she had the opportunity to.
I’m so pissed at them for making me feel sorry for her. LOL
On to Survivor- MTH, I was wondering what you would say when Kim won (and by such a large margin) lol. I really hope they don’t bring Colton back and I wanted to puke when Blossom (forget her real name) was interviewed and said she’d want him back on. Stop giving bigots and racists air time just because they are ‘good tv” UGH. It’s like they made the premise of next season purposely for that.
RealHousewife VA – I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who was disappointed that Mayim Bialik thought Colton was fabulous. Of course this is coming from a woman who prides herself on not teaching her children to say please and thank you. I’m all for riveting tv and don’t mind the backstabbing on Survivor but out and out bigotry should not be rewarded.
Did she really say she doesn’t teach her children to say please and thank you?? I agree, the backstabbing is part of the show, and makes for great blindsides.
Yes, it was in an article about attatchment parenting. I’ll see if I can find and post the link.
BTW – I’m not bashing attatchment parenting. I don’t think all people raising their children in the manner refuse to teach their children basic manners.
Now you know what I would and did say
It’s just a game show for the most part and Kim was just one I loved to hate on the show.
That’s Blossom? I wondered whatever happened to her and thought I recognized that nose. I don’t watch big bang theory which I guess she’s on. She looked lonely in that audience.
I agree with your housewives comments. This whole mess the last few episodes was started by Joey and him telling his wife about what Teresa thought was a confidental conversation between the 2 of them. Whether Tre should have said anything or not isn’t the problem to me. He should have told Tre to mind her own business and ended it there with Melissa never having to know about it but instead he waits till the camera is rolling to bring it up again to give them a storyline (yes I think he told Melissa right away and this was their plan). Sorry but no brother who wants to make up does something like this, he wanted (and still wants to in my opinion ex: telling her you need to fall, I guess he’s going to make sure he’s the one who brings that about) to bring his sister down and he didn’t care how he did it. Let me say right now I am not team Teresa but I am sure the heck not team Melissa, I do not like her, trust her nor do I buy her I am so innocent act. I have seen in the last 2 episodes Teresa trying to not have drama and walk away but in both episodes others pushing her to try and talk to Melissa/JOey. Last week she tried to leave and Jacqueline was trying to get her to talk to Melissa, this week Kathy telling her to talk to her brother. You have Richey telling his kids not to invite their friends so they will not be embarassed by Teresa and her drama yet you have Kathy trying to get her to talk to Joey and then everyone is upset with Teresa when the drama starts. If they don’t want the drama and embarassment just leave her alone. This is not all Teresa’s fault no matter what they think. I see everybody ganging up on Teresa at every event and then blaming her when things fall apart when they are just as much to blame. Another thing I see is they all seem to be mad at Teresa because she refuses to admit to any of them she has problems. Why would anyone want to admit that to these people it would just give them something else to talk about, I don’t blame her one bit. Back to the episode, I also see a brother and sister who do not listen to each other. I see a sister in her mixed up way of speaking trying to tell her brother she misses their relationship, I don’t see her telling him she wants to be first in his life (sorry but I just don’t) I see her telling him she wants to be important to him too. That she is hurt because to her it seems like once he married Melissa it was (in her words) like” Teresa who?” when she put him first when she got married. I think she is trying to tell him he was still just as important to her even after she got married and she mad time for him but felt like she was no longer important to him because he got married. I don’t think she felt she should come first but just that she should still be important to him. She states when he got married he should have told Melissa he had only one sister and that she needed to get along with her but instead it was like he said “oh ripe my sister apart you can do whatever you like to my sister I don’t care”. I think that is where all the problems stem from. From what I’ve seen on this show of Melissa I have no doubts that she rips and has ripped her at every chance she has gotten (no doubt her and her mean sisters have done this all thoughout the marriage) and Teresa knows this and has not ever seen Joey stand up for her and tell Melissa knock it off this is my sister and you’re not going to treat her like this. I think this has hurt Teresa greatly given how she felt about him and probably has been a big cause of the feelings she has for Melissa. I see a man who everytime Teresa tries to explain this too him he shuts her down and treats her like an idiot who doesn’t understand what she is saying, who has changed and everything she does is wrong. After all if the Angel from God said it it must be true. As far as the 2 Joes go I don’t see much difference in them except Joey seems to treat his wife a bit better and gets a pass on how poorly he treats his sister while joe g doesn’t get a pass on how poorly he treats the other women. I guess if Joe g treated his wife better he could get the same pass Joey and Richey get after all if you treat your wife nice you can treat the other women on the show horribly and esp if Teresa is one of those women. Just for the record even though I like watching Rosie and think she is just as bad as the rest in Teresa bashing.
APPLAUSE! I also think she just wants to still be important to her brother…her ONLY SIBLING.
OMG, you saved me the time to post a long rant, your posts says it all.
Word!!
Ok now wait RHVA
Why is there sides? What is that all about. She doesn’t want her family to know her friends? WHY, tell me what the problem would be with that. Teresa said that her family were good people you wouldn’t believe it by watching her on the show and the way she talks about them but given they are good people why wouldnt she want her friends to know her family? Is it her friends that are bad and she doesnt want her family around them? She said she would jump ship if that happened if they came together WHY? It’s so high school
That kind of crap makes me crazy I dont understand it.
Do you want Teresa to say her family are bad people? (I think the proof is in the pudding) But really… then she’d be getting even more crap. Let’s face it, Melissa tried so hard to get on the show, she sold out her sister-in-law to Danielle Staub. That’s how bad Melissa is. Why would Teresa want her friends to be friends with someone who would do that to her? Family or not… actually especially because they are family.
Yah if my sister in law bad-mouthed me to Danielle Staub to get on the show, didn’t tell me she was coming on the show, and then my brother called me garbage at his son’s christening, I would see the writing on the wall and try to keep my friends away from them. She knew what they were up to and she had her defenses up. I don’t blame her one bit.
I think Tre turned out to be right. Look how this show has declined since her family came on. I blame them entirelly. There is no joy in NJhw anymore. Enough with the Tre bashfest it has gone on long enough. Is this the only story? So sad.
I keep in mind that Bravo had the RHNJ filming seasons back to back without a break. IMO, they wanted to catch as much of the legal aspects of Teresa’s bankruptsy and Joe’s DUI/ID fraud as possible. And other cast members were trying to deliver on their promise to take Teresa down by any means possible. At the end of the day – families and friendships are destroyed, viewers are sickened by the behavior, but Bravo gets the ratings.
Are the ratings still high for NJ? I stopped watching. It was bad enough to see the ugliness between friends like JZ and Bethenny, NeNe vs Kim Z. I am not going to watch a family drag each other through the mud.
I would love for them to bring in the brother and sister in law that Caroline doesn’t talk to. Let them set out to destroy Caroline and see how she feels about it.
ITA Lets see if she gets as good as she gives.
I actually think they only had that two month break because they wanted to film down the Jersey shore… you know the “Jersey Shore.”
RHONJ needs a reboot. Bravo thought that by bringing Melissa and Kathy they would do just that. Instead, NJ has become as uncomfortable to watch as NY. The best part of the show is watching Rosie. She’s hilarious.
How about when Rosie was asking how her hair looked poolside? I think she’s really cute.
I like watching Rosie but she can be just as nasty about Teresa as the rest of them.
Look Teresa gets as good as she gives..
Yes she can. Add another person to the Teresa gang up.
I don’t think that Joe Gorga is a saint. However when it comes to his discussions with Teresa, I typically understand his point of view more.
Can I share a story with you? It’s not mine, but it is my mother’s.
My mother and father got married in the 70s after knowing each other for 6 weeks. When I showed my shock later on in life (realizing how short of a time they knew each other) she’d shrug and go ‘it was the 70s. no big deal’. My father had been married before to a woman who was frankly horrible. After 1 month he and the woman divorced because she cheated on him with men and women. 6 years later he found my mom, they worked at the same place, and went on a date, got engaged, and married. Simple, right?
My grandmother didn’t like my mom. By extension, neither did my father’s sister. My grandmother had ‘picked out’ my dad’s first wife. Even though she cheated, she kept ‘praying the kids would get back together’. My grandmother did everything she could to undermine my parent’s marriage – even after I was born. I remember a vivid story where just a few months into marriage, my grandma showed up while Dad was working and Mom was home and dropped off a huge cardboard box. It was an old box of love letters from my dad’s first marriage, dropped off because “Rodney would want to read them.”
She was cruel. She’d stop by our house, when I got older, and ask if Dad was home. If he wasn’t, she’d just get in her car and leave, not liking me because I was from my mom too. She’d insult me, call me names, and make me self conscious about everything. And then there was Christmas time.
My dad’s sister’s kids were the favored ones. I distinctly remember one year the oldest boy (two years older than me) opened up his present from Grandma and Grandpa. It was a 5 cd stereo and a box of 20 cds – beautiful system in the 90s. It had these huge speakers and he was just SO excited.
Then I opened my gift. It was a plastic jewelry box from the dollar store (with the one dollar price tag still attached). I remember telling my mom later in frustration that it wasn’t the fact that she got me such an inexpensive present. If that’s what she could buy, I would have loved it. It was that she made me open it right after my cousin’s. It just felt like a jab. If she had wanted to get him the nicer gift, then she should have given it to him privately. – I digress.
When I see Teresa’s behavior on the show, I see my grandmother. My father was too, the golden boy, like Teresa views her brother Joe. I feel like no one, unless Teresa would have picked her out herself, would have ever been good enough for Joe. She wants her brother to make HER the most important woman in his life and that can’t be the case. In order for a marriage to be healthy, your spouse needs to be your top priority.
i think most of us, if we had in-laws like Teresa, we’d feel frustrated like Melissa often. She’s not perfect either, but I think she’s worn out and frustrated from 7 years of digs from Teresa. Perhaps now that she has an ‘audience’ and some new friends that are encouraging her to stand up for herself, she’s going to have a stronger voice against Teresa, but when I see her get angry, I see 7 years of frustration boiling out into one moment and I can’t say that I blame her.
Thanks for sharing that, Mel.
My grandmother never really accepted my mother, either. And my mother never accepted my brother’s wife. It’s a very vicious circle. One I hope to avoid w/my own son.
I guess it comes down to being able to love those that you love w/o inserting yourself smack into the middle of it – let them be happy, it doesn’t have to be about you.
I don’t think Teresa’s behavior was anything like your grandmother. We’ve heard both Teresa and Melissa say last season that Melissa and T were close at one point. And after that, they complained that T ignored them. Until the comment that T made to Joey (and I do think it was a way to retaliate against them for coming on the show and exposing the family problems), we really haven’t heard of Teresa doing anything to break up their marriage at all. Did I miss something? Last season they were complaining about being pushed to the side and ignored at events or whatever.
Teresa and her sisters ARE NOT INNOCENT. Before Melissa was even confirmed on the show they were on FB and twitter, making comments about T and causing drama. THEY are the ones who called Danielle to give her family info. Not Teresa. Why does everyone give Melissa a pass for doing that? That’s so low down dirty. For anyone to think that Melissa didn’t put in her own major digs in 7 years (congrats on your RE-done house, anyone?), come on now.
If anything, it seems like Teresa is the one reacting after 7 years of buildup, and she’s upset that her brother doesn’t defend her. Instead he befriends people who hate her (kim G anyone) and let’s Melissa’s sisters say things to him like “Look at me, your REAL sister”. That’s awful! That is her only brother.
YES I agree with all of this.
Teresa and Caroline are similar in that they really don’t want to air their dirty laundry in public. The rest do. They are loving this.
Now I wonder if part of Teresa’s problem here (and my above statement applies) is that Melissa’s awful sisters are allowed to say whatever they want about her and she thinks her brother is not taking her shutting them up and taking her said. She’s going to give all this fault to Melissa too. Remember that at the baby’s christening last season that Melissa’s sister chimed in the hateful, nasty things right at Teresa on camera (You only got an invitation by default. Joe, I’m your real sister.)
So Teresa is feeling ganged up on off camera by Melissa’s whole awful family, and then she gets word that Melissa is bringing this crap on to the show. She can’t handle that.
Then she has this neanderthal of a husband that she is stuck with. Am I taking her side? Maybe, but I think its because if you remove her from this entire situation, she’s actually the most fun. She was hilarious in season one before the roof caved in. All the other ladies would be unbearable no matter what their circumstances.
I loved this post.
As many people mentioned, I think Teresa’s hurt and frustration is what even after she got married she would put herself out there for her brother but she doesn’t feel that it’s being reciprocated.
In some ways, Teresa is like Vicky from Orange County. It’s not good enough that there is harmony and peace, she needs constant affirmations of love (especially since she isn’t getting them from her pig husband).
I also see the divide widening because Joey is also married to a high maintenance woman. She doesn’t feel the need to build a sister type of bond with Teresa because she already has sisters.
Just like the way Melissa connived her way on this show and tried to bring her sisters in (we all saw them on twitter and facebook laying the foundation down) , she was also pushing Teresa further away. Notice at the baptism, ALL of her family as at her table but Teresa was stuck in the middle of nowhere.
Each Joe is just as bad as the other….there is noway with those two pig heads that things will get better. Melissa and Teresa are both liars (only Teresa sucks at it).
In so many ways Teresa and her brother are the same person. Remember when T and Mel were arguing how Teresa felt the need to run several feet over to a wall and pound on it to illustrate the point that talking to her was like talking to the wall? Then we see Joe, using the same analogy but only uses a foot ball to describe his sister.
I think I know why Gia probably thinks the book Jac was reading was like torture, it probably didn’t have any pictures….and without a visual, it seems like these folks are just lost.
Teresa doesnt have any sisters BTW.
Well I don’t buy any of the sisters contacting Danielle business..
I believe the story that Melissa gave until it’s proved that she lied. People are innocent before they are found to be guilty.
There’s nothing that Melissa has done or really said that would make me believe that she is a liar. I don’t give her a pass, I give her a fair chance period. Theres NO reason for me not to.
I don’t
I didnt finish my last sentence but I don’t buy what Teresa’s fans are coming up with, not saying your a fan I’m talking about a lot of the nonsense I see from other posters at the Bravo board that are coming up with shit she hasn’t even said tried or thats ever been heard of before but they love that Teresa some are just crazy.
There were texts to prove that Melissa contacted Danielle. Also, where do you think Danielle got all Teresa’s family inside info at the reunion second season? Melissa!
I think she meant “Melissa and her sisters”.
I am talking about Melissa’s sisters. And did you watch the reunion when Danielle brought up Melissa and her son? Danielle tweeted that she knew about it because Melissa emailed her and contacted her, as well as telling Danielle if she got onto the show she could expose Teresa…I totally believe that.
I am totally disgusted by your grandmother! I am a grandmother of 8 and I love them all. They have given me wonderful great-grandkidz, the newest born May 2
What a rat of a grandmother 007. I’m sorry you went through that but you turned out pretty nice. The cousin might have followed after the grannygrinch.
Yes, what a sad tale. Mel’s grandmother sounds like miserable woman. I am wondering if Mel’s father ever put his foot down.
A girl I know was in a similar situation until finally one day her father blew up and told her that he will not treat his daughter like a second class citizen. It didn’t really help so the just ended up distancing themselves from the grandmother.
When the grandmother was sick and on her death bed, she tried apologizing to my friend and asking for forgiveness but by them there was too much hurt and resentment for her to let it go.
Wow that’s another sad story RR. Not forgiving isn’t healthy imo. I have things I still work on letting go.
I agree, it was a sad story. I asked her if she thought about just offering forgiveness in that moment (deathbed) then taking the time to actually feel it down the road; but she said she had so much anger and was still suffering from at lot of self esteem and confidence issues at the result of what would be psychological abuse that she wasn’t about to give her grandmother the gift of peace and a clear conscience when she was still hurting so bad.
Mel007 I see all that frustration as well. I loved when ever Melissa told Kim D to stay out of it as she was trying to get herself involved. Oh it wasn’t happening that night. I think we may know or have a hint of a down the road disaster that happens that Kim D is a player in..
I think Teresa deserves one ally. Pretty sad that it has to be Kim D. though.
But last season Melissa didn’t have any trouble buddying up to Kim G… and does Melissa tell Jac or Caroline to butt out? Teresa can’t have an ally but they can? Please
MTH! Thanks for your betterthanarecap I love the way you write. Surely they aren’t stupid enough to have that racist elitist back, right? Colton was the most disgusting jerk and the network can’t believe he is interesting. Now, bringing back the runners up? That was great.
I think Kim played a great game and her strategy paid off.
Oh, please recap BB for us!
We’ll have to wait and see I guess. Three Tribes, Three ‘Veterans’. I actually hate when these shows do that. I suppose the person who should have won, Did win. My words didn’t taste very good without ketchup though
Hey, on these shows I know I like/dislike personality types, so tend to forget that they are playing a game. It makes me crazy when they do something stupid and form alliances,, blah blah.
Also, have only watched two seasons. Actually started because I was watching the cartoon version of BB with my grandson and it was hilarious! My friend is a Bear in SF and there was a guy on who was his internet buddy so I started watching survivor. Between the two shows the CN version became even funnier I can’t take any of it seriously because of Total Drama Island. So, I am justifying my addiction to these shows? Good grief
I guess we all need some sort of justification
Lynn, I thought you did an excellent job on last night’s NJ. Thanks for a thoughtful post. I feel for those cousins. How awkward and ulcer-producing must it be when they find out it’s time for another family get-together?
Also, Juicy Joe gets more horrible each week. In general, I have sympathy for Theresa because she seems like she is doing her best to hold things together and to have to have the”support” of that oaf seems sad to me. Of course the majority of her problems are self-made, but there is something about her that makes me NOT have full “Taylor-Armstrong hate-type emotion.”
Off topic, I finished and enjoyed Bethenny’s book. It was a fun summer read and I enjoyed figuring out who was based on who(m?). Will try my best to join in discussion when it starts.
I loved it as well. She was very clever when creating her characters. Some resemble people we all know, but not completely, or not enough for them to take offense.
Tre keeps mentioning Joey betrayed a confidence.
When someone says to me “Now don’t tell WSM”.
I politely tell them, I don’t have ANY secrets from WSM and that they should know better than to ask any hub & wife.
The Bible teaches no secrets!
Tre wants to have a special secret place w/her brother ! She doesn’t get to “leave & cleve”
I think its extreamly dishonest & disrespectfulfor Tre to want to maintain a “secret place” w/Joey that is an insult to Melissa & Jo G’s marriage vows
Tre said she thought they had a special confidential conversation.
Tre wanted to create a : Melissa is a $$whore personality that will hurt U if u aren’t rich and I won’t hurt u ever.
But I understand Tre’s desire. Its the 1st time she has actually admitted Jo G is not enough and she desperately wants a private & exclusive relationship w/ her bro. Where they are allowed to melign and undermind Jo’s marriage.
I could see Tre. Desperate sad plea to Joey as she begged him for a private spot w/ him that Mel wasn’t allowed to be.
. I am sure they appropriately had this intimacy when they were kids & b4 marriage. Joe was abusive but I think he was trying to tell Tre she would NEVER be # 1 and that she shouldn’t ask for that so he was emetionally wacking her to show that his wife is 1st and he isn’t forgiving Tre horrible behavior towards Melissa all attempting to cause Joey to love his wife less and to want that emotional intimacy they once had b4 marriage.
To me it was all about Tre’s horrible marriage, missing any emotional coddeling like she had w/her bro when it was appropriate and Joey needing to hit her w/ a board to say : It is never going to be the same and ur tatics to make Mel look bad only back fired and made Joey more protective of his wife (as it should).
Tre face was pathetic and I felt sorry for her but she needs to see this lesson and why it will continue to back fire and that she needs a new “gun”. How about I am sorry for trying to sabotage your marriage and Please forgive me.
WSL – My sentiments exactly, I have been with Mr. T-Rex for 22 years, 20(almost 21) years married. We keep zero secrets from each other, in my opinion, secrets are what “breaks up” many marriages. I am extremely close to my siblings as we are close in age about 1 1/2 between each of us. My siblings did not like my husband at first, but they grew to understand that he was my choice and to be civil and now they are very fond of him. My sister’s first husband was an absolute nightmare, we all disliked him, and some used the word ‘hate’ but we knew this was her choice. We did make comments on the verbal abuse and the way he was starting to cut her out of her family’s life to each other, but we were still civil to him, this was her choice. Did we have the biggest Divorce party ever when they broke up, you Betcha! From reading the stories of Melissa and Joey, they truly love each other, and he is kind and sweet to her and I think Teresa is absolutely GREEN WITH JEALOUSY because Melissa got the marriage Teresa wanted. Melissa got a man who adores her, doesn’t berate her, she was gifted with a son(something Teresa definitely envies), and all Teresa is left with is a Hate-filled,ugly assed, criminal Troll of a husband. I think that Joey did give his sister compliments and made time for her when he was single, but he isn’t single any more he has a wife and kids and Teresa really needs to let that go! Joey’s priority is to his wife and children right now, not his needy sister who is got up in an awful, abusive marriage
Very well said, T-Rex. Congrats on 22 years!
You know Joey said himself in a TH that he Teresa was in a miserable situation and misery loves comfort. Not only do I happen to agree with him we all see it with our eyes. Our eyes and ears don’t lie. It is what it is. The bigger picture is that she is playing with fire and she got caught, of course he’s going to tell his wife what she said. You better believe that Teresa tells Thing everything too and exaggerates what she tells him as we saw last night she creates more drama and harsher feelings than there needs to be.
Caroline was right Teresa will not be happy until theres divorce papers thats easy to believe. Teresa is getting caught up in so many different stories she can no longer keep them all straight.
Melissa kicked her ass in that argument and if it turned physical she probably would have kicked her ass, you can not mess with someone’s marriage I watched a rerun of the argument and everytime I hear Teresa say bring the family together it makes me so sick. Melissa did a good job of holding back but you can tell she held it in for so long. Teresa threw one to many rocks. I was glad to see that she finally stood her ground with Teresa, she’s let her walk all over her for a while without snapping, she shouldn’t ever have to put up with that.
Melissa is a drama queen. If she dislikes Tre sooo much then should not have invaded the show. Very simple. She is a fame whore and so is Little Angel. They seem to be incapable of behaving in a sincere and generous manner unless there is something in it for them. Like maybe face time? When the truth comes to light, I hope these two crawl back into the cave they have escaped from.
Teresa is so reflexively self-defensive, she just can’t and won’t see that her behavior is not just destructive towards Melissa – it’s hurting her brother, his children, her own children, her parents, their friends, her marriage….ultimately, it’s self-destructive. But, she won’t see that – she’ll just keep blaming those around her for the hurt that she’s feeling and the dysfunction around her.
I really hate seeing Gia acting out – I imagine this will escalate with her.
The way I see it is that Teresa doesn’t have to be friends w/Melissa, she just has to stop the destructive lashing out. Let there be peace in this family. For the kids’ sake, if nothing else.
Why didn’t Joey tell Melissa the next day? Why wait 2 months until cameras are on you to have the conversations about it? Please. I’m sure he’s kept PLENTY of secrets from his wife, from what I’ve heard.
Excellent point!
He told her that night and they spent the next 2 months planning their revenge and then practicing the scene until it was right for the cameras.
She said he came home crying . So that closet scene was b.s.. What purpose did it serve in telling Mel other than to hurt further and raise the stakes. I would not have told my husband unless I wanted to add fuel to the fire. Very telling indeed.
Was the closet scene B.S. or was the story about him crying B.S These two are liars and love drama. They also seem to be delusional. “I’m a pop star.” “I’m an Angel sent down by God.” Hello… there seems to be a pattern here of over the top ego, run a muck. Little Joe is as sick as his sister.
We don’t know when exactly she said it. From what he said and, unlike his sister, he doesn’t have a long list of lies that undercut his credibility, she said it to him shortly before he told his wife.
The much bigger issue to me, rather than should he or shouldn’t he have told his wife, is how truly evil it was of Teresa to say such a thing to her brother. She said it for the sole purpose of hurting him and his wife. It’s not like she know she was cheating on him and had hard facts..that’s something you tell a brother because you love them…but just to throw out this nonsense that maybe, someday Mel will leave him for a richer man..is just vile.
Yeah… but don’t forget the cameras had to be there. Does it really matter whether it was two months or a day? It was in front of cameras. I think that right there shows the intent.
Melissa even said in her blog or an interview that Teresa said it to Joey before her first live performance. So we know it was at least 2 or more months before Season 4 filmed.
I never heard or read that….
I have no doubt that Joey Gorga told Melissa the same night that he heard it from Teresa. I am sure that Melissa real time reaction was nowhere as calm as it was in the recreated scene.
So there I stand, Joey told Melissa in front of the cameras but that was not the first time that Melissa heard that.
Melissa used this opportunity to be seen as the peacemaker willing to look past it and be the better person, except that she is not, this is what will be their story line for the rest of season 4
JMO
Cartwheels you say your sure of it?? Are you sure your not trying to say something that puts Teresa is a good light and Melissa in a bad one? You have no way of knowing when the dates were. When he brought that up he said the other day I thought, but so you think that Melissa is an aspiring actress and she really wasnt honestly surprised to find out?
Melissa HERSELF blogged about it and said that Teresa told Joey that before she ever even did her first live performance. She was trying to prove that Teresa said it before there was even a reason to say it, but in that comment she also confirmed that it was months earlier. That first performance was in the winter/early months of 2011. Season 4 began filming in May 2011. You do the math
How do you know what the date was of Teresa’s call to her brother?
WSL, she would absolutely have to give an apology using those exact words to Melissa and her brother for that apology to mean anything at all. If she just gives an I’m sorry that’s not going to work, Melissa would never believe nor would most of the rest of the viewing public that watches this show. The words she specifically uses with the apology is the only thing that would make a difference this late in the game.
I sense that Teresa doesn’t feel like she owes Melissa an apology because she didn’t actually say it to Melissa, her brother told her.
Not to mention, the way she couched it by telling brother she ‘heard rumors’, she has positioned herself as the messenger and not the accuser.
Don’t get me wrong, what I actually believe is that she was mad about the text her brother sent Joe. Again, if I were her I think I would be more upset over that the allegation of her husband cheating didn’t bother Joey enough to come to her. But that he would use it as blackmail. That tells me he doesn’t give a phuck about his sister or her problems. He just wants to protect his own ass. But I digress….the point is in her mind Joey poked her and now she was going to poke him back.
He didn’t tell it to Teresa directly because he doesn’t give a crap about her and he probably does the same thing to Melissa. Any man that talks about his poison that much and is that hungry for fame doesn’t sit right with me. Little man complex.
You’re exactly right….It’s almost like Tre wants to be his wife!
They are both really sick people. I think the Gorga family may have some ugly secrets in their past.
I’m exhausted by RHONJ this season. Professional intervention is the ONLY thing that might work to repair the relationship between Teresa and her brother. Each of their spouses would have to participate in the counseling as well. Joe Giudice and Melissa both contribute to making the relationship between Teresa and Joey as terrible as it has become. I don’t see that happening, though. I get the feeling that both Joe Giudice and Melissa would totally love it if Teresa and Joey just cut each other off totally and never had anything to do with each other anymore.
Kathy, Jacqueline and Caroline also contribute to making the situation worse. They all need to butt out, plain and simple. But if they did that, what real storylines would they have?
I don’t have high hopes that these relationships can ever be repaired. I don’t find watching a family destroy itself entertaining. BRAVO needs to totally re-vamp the cast and the show. They need totally new and fresh blood. I don’t want to see Melissa’s witchy sisters or any of her friends. I don’t want to see any of Kathy’s friends. I don’t want to see Caroline, her husband or her kids AT ALL anymore (boring and annoying). I’m irritated and bored by Jacqueline and Ashley as well. Teresa’s businesses and her kids are interesting to me. I wish she’d put Joe Giudice out of the house for a while in order to see if it would help him to appreciate and respect what he has with her. I also wish BRAVO would tell Teresa that, in order to stay on the show, she would have to get counseling — no if’s, and’s, or but’s. Maybe we could watch the sessions, like on Bethenny’s show.
I just think the RHONJ cast needs to undergo a “bloodbath” of firings and replacement of cast members (like they did with RHONY). The show as it is right now is just not working anymore, IMO.
We don’t know what normal stories lines that the lifes of Melissa and Kathy may add to the show due to Teresa’s troubles thats boiling over at the surface it’s consumed the entire show. Teresa brings all her problems to of the show it over shadows, I don’t think that Melissa and Kathy have been given a real 100% chance to show everything they can bring. Just saying.
Well, Melissa hung herself out to dry then by causing (or at least exposing ) a rift to get herself on the show…then what were are left with is her singing (I think I would almost rather watch them gang pile on T than suffer that) or watching her horned up teenaged minded husband trying to throw a leg over her.
RR she’s not that bad a singer, I don’t know if it would have been about her singing I know that it was something she surely wanted to do LOL sorry.. It may have also focused on maybe what Joe does for a living maybe not I don’t know but guess what, I think next season we’re sure to find out. I don’t see a lot of nice get togethers after this season.
Meh….to each his own.
Granted she might be better than Kim Z (although Kim had a catchier tune) or Gretchen (who I was actually deceived by because I never heard her raw version of the song she wrote for Jeff) but the reality is, if I am looking to play some tunes, I am not thinking about a HW.
They all need auto tune… it helps some more than others.
Teresa didn’t bring anything into the show…everyone around her is harping on every word she says. You talk about Teresa supporters, but seems like you are overly enamoured by Kathy and Melissa yourself.
I think the boring Manzos have already checked out.
I agree this show has become unwatchable. New York, last year was the same. Even after reading recaps, there was absolutely nothing on New York and now New Jersey that I even care to see. How they maintain ratings is beyond me. Atlanta was pretty much the same. They are killing their own shows as far as I am concerned. I tune in to see how the other half, priviledged, live…..Not to see out of control fights and completelly bleeped out conversations. At least with Jersey Shore and Basketball and Mob wives, you know what you are getting. If I were to ever run into any of these people, I would keep my distance and surely wouldnt be worshipping them to their faces. They are horrible and nasty.
OMG the basketball wives should be a interesting episode tonight thanks for reminding me. I’ve gotten sucked in by this show too God save me.
So JoeGo and Melissa are selling their “dream home” and shore house, and moving just because they were only trying out the area to see if they liked it? PLEASE. Who builds a 2 million dollar home and adds a studio to it, just to try out the city for a year? They want T to be so honest but they can’t admit that they built the house to sell from day one but only moved into it while doing the show and since they didn’t have a mortgage to pay on it.
And in the listing, the basement is ‘unfinished’. What happened to the studio?
This is why I just can’t with these people.
All of this is smoke and mirrors, isn’t it?
I remember the basement being completely unfinished, no downstairs play area, nothing, EXCEPT for the little studio area. I guess that’s why it has to be advertised as unfinished.
Don’t forget that they also moved there to be close to Teresa and her lovely fambly. Another PR lie. IMO
Good God. The She Devil is on Wendy Williams. She thinks she’s ‘Urban’.. She and Arsinio were the Only ‘Urban’ players she says. Puke. What a bitch.
Who?
The Celeb Apprentice She Devil. (Aubrey)
Why is she aligning herself with Arsenio when just last night she was badmouthing him? And being urban is what? An advantage? Cool? What?
She said that when the show first started that she was excited to be on with Arsinio because they were the only ‘urban’ players on the show.
I thought you meant JZ. lol
Me too. I don’t watch CA, so I had no clue. It could have been so many of these ladies. 8)
Sorry about that. It was just a random comment. I don’t usually watch Wendy but it was on after the news broadcast I was listening to.
I guess She Devil could refer to a lot of people these days
True. I wouldn’t mind having some supernatural powers sometimes. I hope I’d use them for good. But today I’d have windows washed and some painting done all with the twitch and a blink.
I love the term She-Devil. The movie was pretty good too.
LOL Who is this woman? I thought they were supposed to be “celebrities”????
She is a celeb… in her own mind
She is an urban celebrity?
Ugg..just watchede the clip above “Shut up and listen” with T and Juicy. That makes me feel sorry for T. He is such an ugly individual (inside and out).
Thanks everyone for all the great recaps. Your dedication is much appreciated.
Haven’t read this page at all yet, but just caught up on chat and had a comment.
Nathania,
Thank you! For bringing up Tre calling Melissa who wasn’t even a part of the convo a f’n c u next Tuesday. I couldn’t believe she got a pass on that last night. I watched this morning and all I could say was that c u next Tuesday was comforting your kid and is their aunt, bitch. Hope she’s okay with her kids and nieces/nephews hearing that over and over in reruns. You can’t take that back.
Anyways, back to reading the blog. Missed a lot last night due to being dead to the world for 11 hours. That’s the last time I take pain meds& allergy meds together. Hope everyone is having a great day.
RealHousewifeofVA – Here’s the link to the article.
http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/11/how-brainy-women-think-about-attachment-parenting/
I re read it and I may have overstated the prides herself on not teaching please and thank you. Rather it is her preference not to have them say please and thank you. From the article:
“That includes conforming to Bialik’s standards. For example, Bialik’s preference for not requiring her children to say “please” or “thank you” is something Curtis feels quite the opposite about.”
I have known parents who not only allow their children to say whatever they like but even encourage it under the guise of wanting them to learn to express themselves.
One woman defended her child’s swearing at his Kindergaten teacher. That was never my parenting style! And I have no idea why you would prefer to have your children not say please and thank you.
Thanks for posting this! Ugh, not my parenting style AT ALL. I have a friend who is really great, but her kids are just so rude and it makes me want to stay away from her. She always says she wants them to learn to make their own choices, be independent and express how they feel freely. But when it means your son is swearing around my 4 year old or your daughter tells you “No, I don’t have to listen to anyone”, then maybe you should re-think it a little!
There’s a blog called “Blind Gossip,” where the blog operator periodically has reveals of his blind items (This is a different blog from the “Crazy Days and Nights” blog I’ve mentioned before).
Well, this morning, he did a reveal of a Blind Item he issued just before Season 3 (last season, not this one) of RHONJ started:
Blind Item
A Cast Full of Fakers
1. Cast Member A has lost a few pounds. She will claim on camera that it is from healthier living. The truth is that she had lap-band surgery a few months ago.
2. Although A claimed last season that Cast Member B was “just like family,” the two now have absolutely no contact with each other when the cameras aren’t rolling. Once B lost her money, A wanted nothing to do with her.
3. B absolutely hates Cast Member C for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that she believes that C had an affair with B’s husband.
4. Cast Member C’s family pretends that they are the wealthiest of all. However, their house is underwater, and they have a huge balloon payment (>$1 million) due in the next year that they will not be able to pay off.
5. Cast Member D used to work as a call girl in a major U.S. city.
6. Cast Member E and her husband are going broke trying to portray themselves as wealthy people for the show. In real life, she is a hairdresser, and he pumps gas.
Blind Item Revealed
SOLVED
Reality Show: Real Housewives of New Jersey
1. Cast Member A: Caroline Manzo, who secretly had surgery to lose weight, lied about it, and is now torturing her overweight daughter for inability to lose weight.
2. Cast Member B: Teresa Giudice, who is now Caroline Manzo’s enemy, and who doesn’t trust her sister-in-law Melissa Gorga as far as she can throw her. Teresa knows her husband Joe has cheated on her numerous times, although we can’t imagine that anyone, including Melissa, finds Juicy Joe attractive.
3. Cast Member C: Melissa Gorga, whose house is now up for sale because she and Joe Gorga can’t make their mortgage payment. They are telling all kinds of lies about why they are moving. The truth is that his contracting business is failing, and they aren’t paying their bills. Maybe they think that her singing career can save them.
4. Cast Member D: Jacqueline Laurita, who allegedly met her husband, Chris Laurita, when she was a stripper and call girl in Las Vegas.
5. Cast Member E: Kathy Wakile, whose profession is always skimmed over because she and her husband Richie borrowed heavily to secure a home and car that would make them look like they had a lifestyle commensurate with the rest of the housewives.
Yes, they are all a bunch of liars and phonies. Are you surprised?
I give this blogger’s information as much credence as I give these housewives.
LOL. Yeah, I take it with a grain of salt as well. I do think the majority of them (not just RHONJ) are a bunch of liars and phonies, though. I want the “real” back in my real housewives.
They certainly aren’t fun anymore, are they? My sleep patterns are so off, I watch them in the wee hours if I can’t find anything else. Im about to go to infomercials if this keeps up.
I actually turn into QVC when I can’t sleep!
OK, that was supposed to read: I actually turn on QVC when I can’t sleep.
hey Trudie!
I do the same thing!!
I put QVC on. I’ve
even had times where I’ve
rolled over and picked up the phone and called the automated
ordering line to order so my
hubby wouldn’t hear me talk!!!
OK, I’ll try that. That, cartoons, Im getting desperate…
KLMH I completely agree with you.
He’s a she? Imagine that! LOL
Ooops… got that backwards.
The answers seem out of order?
Kathy was a call girl or a hairdresser? or maybe both?
After all, Jacqueline claims she was a hairdresser in Las Vegas but it’s rumored she was a stripper.
maybe Kathy and Jacqueline were call girl/strippers/hairdressers together?
Somehow that seems like a better show that the one we’re stuck with.
At this point, almost anything would be better than the show we’re stuck with right now.
They are saying Kathy is a hairdresser and I think it’s true because someone posted on twitter why doesn’t Bravo show Kathy doing hair and Kathy made a comment about how there is nothing wrong with that type of honest work. That’s cool if she’s a hairdresser, why don’t we hear about that??
She said on Twitter today that she keeps up her license, but doesn’t work in a salon; she just works on friends and family.
We saw her doing her daughters hair for the prom. It looked like she might have a salon chair in the house some where to work on hair and makeup. We are suppose to read between the lines. Right? I know I have to, or the show will not make much sense, at all. Really!
Apparently Teresa and the Angel from God had a special bond. It seems this bond changed when Joey got married. I think Melissa is the controlling type and is probably being very selfish at sharing Joey with his family. In my opinion she manipulates him, no surprise there since he is so insecure.
I think Teresa’s parents resent Melissa for that to this day. I understand his family is his wife and kids, but in a traditional family like the Gorgas much is expected of their only male son. I think Joey doesn’t have the cojones to tell his wife anything so, she runs the household. She decides which house they spends holidays, which b-days parties to attend, who gets invited to what.
Melissa knows how hard to push her luck. She just might run out of luck though.
I get the same feeling – and what Teresa is saying so inarticulately is that her brother having her back means he doesn’t let anyone, including his wife, talk trash about her. And it is also considered old school to honor your parents, defend your siblings and respect your family and its traditions. I’m not saying this is right or wrong but it is lil bro Joey and his wife who don’t know (or like) their place in his family. IMO, lil bro didn’t live up to his parents expectations and he wants to blame everyone, except himself.
After that horror of christening, we all saw the family dynamics for what they are. This family is broken. Being on RHONJ is putting the final nails in the coffin. There is no coming back from this, they will just go on hating, conniving & insulting each other – like they were Before RHONJ.
Jogo hates that his father favors Juicy over him. His parents & sister hate his wife. Why anyone can stand Juicy….blechh! Mego & Jogo did everything they could to get on RHONJ & Bravo is using their family feuding for ratings & $. Put on your crash helmets folks, ratings are high (2.5 million or better per episode) and you can bet there will be another season of this trash.
yeah, family dynamics. At the Christening, you can tell who matters to them by who was sitting with Melissa and Joey, her family and Kathy? Teresa seemed to be in another room and didn’t even have elder Gorga’s at their table.
Well from my personal In-Law experiences you never know for sure what is going on unless you are living it. If you heard my Sister-in-law, I am the worst thing that happened to their family to my husband etc. That my husband abandoned them basically when he married me, yadda yadda. When truth is my husband had a tenuous at best relationship with his family when he met me. I was the one who encouraged a reconciliation, then I was thrown under the bus and called every awful thing under the sun by these folks. Funny thing was I didn’t know at first what they were doing until another family member told me what they were saying about me. I see a lot of Teresa’s bad traits in my sister in-law and how my SIL managed to single handedly turn my in-laws against me. So, now what do they have to show for it? They get to see my husband about 4 hours a year, because they would not stop their idiocy, most of their cousins don’t talk to them because they hate what they did to us.
Toxic Families – I don’t think there’s any fixing this sort of thing. You just have to keep up some firm boundaries – engage from a healthy distance.
Hey T-Rex-
I’m really sorry to hear about what you’ve been
through with your in-laws. It is horrible the way
people think it’s ok to treat family members.
All i can say to you is to remember that what goes
around comes around. Your SIL will get hers one
day, and I hope you get to see it! xo
Also, It makes me believe
even further that everyone can relate to these people
in one way or another.
Exactly and why go on a show to expose it to millions.
Wow – T-Rex you are telling my story. My SIL and her husband love to flame me on the internet (facebook, emails, blogs) – days or weeks later someone will send it to my husband and all fit hits the shan. First couple of years I cried and that made it worse for hubby. Then I got nasty back at them for a year and made it worse for me – focusing on sh!tty people is too exhausting. Now I just wish them well and laugh off their BS! It helps that my MIL finally asked them to stop snarking on the internet. Not sure it had anything to do with my feelings, probably more that she thought it was embarrassing the family.
The NJ gift for kids thing at the solistice party brought back memories. My SIL likes to buy my son (who she has seen in his 4 years of life a total of 30 minutes) gifts. She would mail them and my hubby would open it and then take it to goodwill. Of course I wanted him to just accept and write a thank you but nooooo! Around Xmas she dropped off a gift at their mom’s house while my son was there for the day being cared for w/o us. He opened it, loved it and they had it packed in his bag for him to take home. A big tadoo. When my hubby went to pick him up he said “Daddy Grammie got me a cool truck”. His Mom says “No, Aunt so and so did”. My poor hubby was so ticked off that they would give him a gift without asking our permission, come to see him w/o us knowing and involve his mom etc. The gift did not make it home with my boys and my son cried for hours – horrible.
I have offered to fall on the sword – be the fall guy – take whatever blame they want to give but my hubby will not let me. He has written them letters asking them to “respect his immediate family” but they just cannot get past their preconceived notions about our lives. They have wished us harm in some of their FB postings – very scary sometimes. I can see how much this must hurt the whole Gorga/Guidice clanship. Hurt feelings are hard to sort through. We have been together for 9 years
RHONJ is popular IMO because it is so hard to be and have in-laws!!
So sorry to read that you also have a troubled family dynamic.
Oh – goodness could I have been anymore dramatic? Wow, I really went to negative town. Its that dang show RHONJ – would probably never even think about all that if not for all the Bravo drama. We are a happy family – thanks for the reply Rabblerouser all is well!!
It’s usually a safe place to talk things out. I’m glad you and T Rex have managed to put it all in perspective.
Joey has said on the show how close he and Teresa were.
I am still cracking up over your comment from last night in regards to Joey…and ‘that’s just how angels talk’
OMG, where to start.. I love the NJ franchise I really do but I have to say I can’t help but form an opinion, if there was a question of who’s side are you on you have to pick one it would definately be on the side of Joey and Melissa without a doubt. I know what I watch on the screen and I hear what comes out of their mouths quite frankly Teresa and Joe are their own worse enemies.
I believe that for Teresa she’s not the strong woman when it comes to the situation she in with the relationship woes she has with her brother and his family she actually very very weak, she weak because when it comes to his family’s lifestyle it’s much better than her own in EVERY way, she’s jealous of that and really seems to be consumed with that jealousy. It’s made her into a very bitter nasty human being in general but around her brother she doesn’t have that steel guard up, she’s the only one that can save herself, I believe more than anyone on these shows she needs some serious counseling I’m being very serious because she has 4 children to take care of and she’s got a complete Fuc*ing asshole moron of a husband. He can’t even keep a pizza shop running what did he have it for 2 years yet? Richie was right last year when he said that Joe turns around and has to sale everything he gets in to. He said that about him last year when he wanted to go into the restaurant business remember when he tried to argue with Al about what it takes to run one? Seriously, and Teresa thinks he’s the go to guy for business advice OOOkkk. She trys to play it off by saying oh I’m so happy that your able to be home with me and the girls. It would be my worst nightmare to be in the same room with that Pig. Now I don’t know if the asshole has her brainwashed or not I’m not an expert, but he has something over her I don’t know how she could love such a pig. Maybe that’s why she starts to cry when she speaking to her brother maybe she really wants to get down on her hands and knees and beg him to help her out of the miserable life she has with that moron. I’d be screaming I’ll pay you back I swear help me please please LOL, seriously I couldn’t be married to that asshole I refused to type the word “man” because Joe Guidice is far from one in my book.
I think what happens with Teresa is she gets caught up and she actually gets caught in the things that come out of her mouth and the things that come out of her mouth are not truthful. Teresa exaggerates everything to make her a bigger victim she did it in last nights episode when she was telling Thing about the argument she had with Melissa I beleive she added some things like the stomping of feet and the directly waving pointed fingers in her face. They both spoke with their hands. Thing has the the nerve to say who does she think she is, really, who does he think he is? But I have the answer to that question he’s a criminal that much is clear. Something else is clear when season 3 reunion aired, we have Caroline saying that Teresa had referred to Melissa as having a horse head etc, well I think we all now know where she got that from and yes Teresa did say that I would put money on it. Remember that this show was well underway in filming before they had the reunion. I never thought that Caroline lied about that it’s interesting that he called her that and they hadn’t seen any of season 4 yet they hadn’t wrapped up filming. Thing goes on to calling her brother everything his small brain can think of and she acts like she wants to him to shut up but you know not really, if she wanted him to shut up she could have raised her voice to let him know I’m serious shut up or she could have gotten in his face.
It’s clear Thing has little effort to put forth to try and distance Teresa from her family, the way I see it is she’s already insane with jealousy, and by insane I really mean it I think that if she doesn’t get some type of help she’ll go off the deep end. Material things mean everything to her, I don’t think she could ever be happy without them, if what I read about Melissa and Joey is true about building a even greater house than they have right now, I believe Teresa will lose her mind. Teresa is a very very spoiled person. Her parents spoiled her by her own admission in a season 1 talking head and Thing spoiled her I think making her more responsible for the financial mess their in than he actually is, he was just the stupid dumb one that let her get them to that place. He’s the stupid dumb one that broke laws to try and keep her in that life style and now look what he has going absolutely nothing. The best thing she could ever do for her and her children is to get out before its to late. She does nothing good for those girls by staying with him, believe me for a mother to stay in a bad relationship for the sake of children is not doing what’s best for them. She has the income coming in her keeping in that house is a mistake IMO.
Melissa and Joey, I like them I do, they’ve have grown on me, and I don’t think they are fake at all. I actually feel bad for them when you think about how it must feel to hear them called so many names on camera it’s disgusting ! The Thing talked about Melissa and it was just dispicable and shame on him ! Teresa all but cheered him on, she actually looked at him with alot of hatered in her eyes when he said it like yep thats all true it was sickening. He called her brother lots of names what else is new there. Point is there is NO way I would ever ever be around him again he wouldn’t be welcomed in my home I don’t think I could ever be around him again. If Melissa and Joe aren’t on speaking terms with them now I certainly can understand it and how could anyone blame them. It’s sad about the children but at this point it’s just not a healthy situation. First of all I would never let my children be around the Thing and the shame of it is Melissa’s and Joeys daughter is the Things god daughter right? How could he speak about them the way he does, it’s all jealous greed with Teresa and the Thing I don’t know what else to call the problem they both have with Melissa and Joey. It’s sad for the children that all this effects, I see more of an effort on Melissa and Joey’s side than I see on Teresa’s and the Things side in trying to get along. At this point Teresa and the Thing do not seem interested in moving forward in a positive way.
I know that a lot of people think Caroline and Jacqualine should stay out of the situation but I think that they were asked by Teresa for help on how to deal with some issues she had with them in them trying to do that people think they were getting involved where they shouldn’t be and maybe so, but they got pulled in, they also have to film and be around these people and they observed first hand more than I’m sure we’ll ever see of the actions and reactions of both sides. I can see where they have formed opinions but I can also see how it would be difficult for them not to. Maybe Teresa should have thought about that before asking them to get involved. Maybe they should have said upfront that they didn’t want to get involved but it is what it is.
One thing I have really observed myself this season so far is the way Teresa acts around Melissa and Joey’s children, she DOESN’T pay any attention to them whatsoever and it’s very strange to me, then last night her brother said he wanted her to be more of an aunt to his children. That said alot to me because I had that same question in my mind as to why I never see her have any action with their children. When they were on the shore and Teresa and the Thing barely hugged his daughter when she ran over to them in the water and then she said I love you don’t ever forget it, what was that about it? It was strange and then she must of teared up and the Thing looked at her like she had two heads and asked why she teared up was that just for the cameras, I don’t know but what I observe she doesn’t act like an aunt to his kids.
I have to wonder what Dina thinks about her BFF after watching these episodes!
See, to me Teresa is exactly the type of person Dina would avoid at all costs. Here’s a lady that lives under the love and light mentality right, and Teresa’s reputation is now one of like a box of candy you just don’t know what your getting. She’s like a loaded gun she’s turned insane. I didn’t understand it after season 2 wrapped up and I damn sure don’t understand it now. I would be making myself so unavailable and distant from Teresa and letting the world know about it. Dina always wanted to be looked at like the good girl with wings, you don’t look like that when you have a good friend like Teresa.
I understand that the family situation has been a bad one for sometime now, Teresa would referred to it as having started when her brother got married, but I believe it started when Teresa got married I believe that she did put her brother first that came from her own mouth and that I believe I also believe that started the problem between He and Joey the Thing started doing things acting out because of it, I believe he did start to put a wedge between her father and her brother, enter Melissa in the picture and he also used her to put a wedge in their relationship, I believe when she came along the jealousy Theresa felt only got more and more intense because they moved up in every way passing Teresa and the thing. To say what he did on national TV so easily about Melissa saying he had friends that she had been with come on now that was a WTF moment that was a terrible terrible thing to say. It was beyond disturbing and hurtful how is that helping a situation to say something like that, he doesn’t want her to have a relationship with her family why doesnt he just come out and say cut all ties.
* * Also about that magazine article where Teresa is saying she was a virgin when she got married and the timing of what he said last night was freaky, not for nothing but in season 3 when they went on that weekend in the woods and The thing and Teresa were in bed, I know puke and rinse; didn’t he say remember 13 years ago the first time we were in this room or this bed or something like that. If he did say 13 years then and I’m not a 100% sure he did but if he did they hadn’t been married that many years have they, just saying. He should have never ever said that about Melissa period the PIG I can’t even imagine how it made her feel. I would never be around his ass again. I hope he goes to jail, prison, away or what ever just hope he goes away, please go away. He’s not supporting his kids anyway.
In regards to her parents, I believe that Teresa and the thing has their ear because they see them ALOT more but why do they see them more? We all know that they are the babysitters when one is needed, therefore they have to spend more of their time with them, I think that Teresa monopolizes much of their time, that makes a difference. I think that Joey works a lot and that makes a difference. Melissa says that there are things posted or in articles that just are not true, they have dinner with his parents once a week and spend alot of time with them then, they don’t just eat and run.
The thing, I believe has done more than his fair share of making trouble between Joey and his father, if he’s angry get back at Joey by trying to get the ear out of the most important man in Joey’s life his father. Teresa beyond being jealous will just be damn if she shares any of her mother with her. She keeps her mother busy using her to come up with her receipes for her cook books, posing for pictures for her cook books etc etc..
I think it seems like Teresa was always connected with her parents even before she was on the show and needed help with the kids because of filming or doing signings for her cook book. Her parents and Joe’s parents are also good friends which probably helps.
I know that Melissa’s dad is deceased, but I don’t see much of her mother. I am sensing they are probably Italian Americans. Does Melissa even speak Italian?
Is that you Melissa? Or are you one of her sisters?
Great Recaps Everyone!!
I watched Survivor and skipped the reunion so thanks MTH. I was pulling for Kim and for the women to vote all the men off. Good Job Ladies!!
NJ~ oy! That is tough to watch every week. I’ve had my own family drama without cameras to record every word(I kinda wish we’d had them recorded). I pray that with time, counseling and complete honesty they can resolve these issues and become a strong group of people. They need their own Dr Sophy(I think that’s Bethenny’s therapists name). Yes the kids are the ones suffering as they just want to play together and don’t understand the stupid adults arguing over what someone said. Just “sock em in the arm” and then it’s all over. Now let’s go do Cannon balls and get Super Rosie wet!!!!
Most of you know I struggle with my weight issues so I can say I know how Lauren feels hearing her family “teasing” her about her weight. Oh My Gosh Manzo’s get a frickin clue. You may think a quick jab like “She’s perfect she just needs to lose weight” is harmless, but it’s NOT. It hurts to hear your own parents make remarks about your weight. I personally hated the line “Your so beautiful, you just need to lose weight” REALLY? I’d rather have a man who loves me even if I happen to wear a size 50 and not a 5. Lauren is Gorgeous and Kind and must be the “Blessed” child because she is not cruel. I did like her come backs to Bro.Manzo’s saying their kids would be….(oh great memory loss strikes me today at 52 yrs old) Anyway I liked her come back because she couldn’t just stand there and take the insults. Poor Vito got sucked into it too. Lauren he may have said he likes older women and thinner women, but he’s with YOU!! He could leave anytime, but he’s not because he loves YOU just the way you are. Now if he starts nagging you about your weight, run don’t walk away.
Ok off my soap box. Sorry, I lost myself there for a minute or 5. I just recall being teased growing up and it hurt deeply. Today I have a husband who is so supportive and loving it’s given me to encouragement to finally start the weight loss process. I’m on a journey to lose a total of 122 pounds(my heaviest weight was 267 in January of 2008, my goal is 145).
Again Thank You Lynn for giving us this great space to vent and get our recaps of our favorite shows. Thanks to the recappers too for taking the time to write them out coherently.
Much Love and Happy Monday,
Di
That’s great that you have a supportive husband & you are getting healthy Di.
I hope for the best for you Di.
Oh and another super power I’d like is when someone gains a few pounds they don’t want they could package it up and send to a starving kid in Haiti or Africa.
Good for you! You can do it as long as you want to do it. Having a supportive hubby is an enormous help.
BTW. Dr. Sophy I believe is Taylor’s whacko pysch. He’s the worst. I forget Bethenny’s MD’s name. Now it’s gonna bug me… lol
Doesn’t it start with an A ? Abatar or something.
Good luck with your weight goals. I am on the same battle myself..unfortunately after my cruise, I lost a lot of my momentum and never really hit the gym and gained back the 10 or so lbs I lost and then some. So I am starting again….
CA was very good last night. Arsenio is letting his team members shine while Clay is driving his team nuts. Clay tweets non stop, while the show is on…micromanaging thru his tweets it seems. Ughh! Arsenio is cool, he only tweeted a few times. Just from what was shown last night, I’m team Arsenio. It’s going to be good next week!
Aubrey just doesn’t get it. She thinks everyone is a hater, she’s the best – blah blah blah. Even on Wendy, she couldn’t stop with the “I’m the best, the haters are so jealous of me.” No Aubrey you are not the best! You need to learn humility, how to play with others & to step back & look at your obnoxious behavior. I don’t think she will ever learn – she doesn’t have the wisdom to take in the criticism & make herself better. Here’s where college could have really helped to polish her talents, & reel in her huge ego by putting her in situations where other people would have out classed her ass.
Aubrey is delusional.
I like both Clay and Arsenio, but I hope Arsenio wins.
Regarding Aubrey, I totally agree with the sentiments around here. She is an ego-maniac and the biggest narcissist I’ve seen in a long time.
Talking about Wendy Williams, I remember a long time ago, years ago, when Wendy first had her talk show, Aubrey was on looking the exact way she looks now and swore up and down that she did not have plastic surgery. Look at a picture of her when she was first on the scene in MTB days and look at her now…it’s so obvious. I have never understood why people in the public adamantly deny plastic surgery when it’s so obvious. That’s like Gretchen denying she had her lip injected, um, okay, if you say so, Gretchen!
I really wonder about someone who looks anyone or the public straight in the face and lies about something so obvious. Don’t they realize how they look to the rest of us?
Even Trump told her she was “transparent” to her face.
You would think she would have learned when she single handedly destroyed the group she was in under Diddy. They had huge success in their first album and could have gone far, IMO. She is SOOO different than the girl she was on season 1 of Making the Band. I LOVED her then.
I saw the previews to next weeks show. I can’t really tell what happened to make Gia so upset at that time, but over all I’ve seen a little girl hurting and exposed to things she shouldn’t be. I believe the thing is jealous of the relationship Joey has with Gia and jealous of the love Gia really shows for her uncle. The way that they speak about them in front of their kids is horrible and they are doing so much damage they just don’t know. All the magazine articles and covers that are around and clearly Gia is seeing them because she’s tried discussing them with her parents and the thing tells her to shut up and stay out of his business. He’s a pig, and those kids will be affected by them both. They need to take a breath and sit back and really think about and pay attention to their children and what they are saying. You can’t deal with it by saying shut up and stay out of my business. I wouldnt be surprised if Gia starts having panic attacks and really being troubled by all this. I really hate seeing her having a hard time and she clearly she has had some during the filming so far.
So now you are telling them how to raise their children. Good luck with that. Because Big Joe is a Pig Thing he can not hear very well and sign language is completely out of the question. So good luck with that. LOL.
Good Morning Jeff & The hound, amazing betterthanarecap (luv that phrase/wrd mimi). You were on my brain the entire 3 hours, we had a very nice conversation in my head hahahah. All I kept thinking when I commented a few weeks ago that it was kim’s game to lose, the last 3 weeks I said no way is she getting any votes because of her behavior. If Kim got to the end I didn’t think she had a shot no matter who she took. When she kept Chelsea I said outloud, she just lost the game. Obviously I was wrong. What did we not see with Chelsea? When she was asked why she doesn’t like people I was floored. I am known for my “I hate people” position, but it’s no mystery to my loved ones why. I thought she came across as one of the least offensive people there. Whatever prompted that question is why Kim took her to the end. Would love to hear about chelsea and what we did not see. All in all the most heavy handed editing in all the years (what was that Probst, how many seasons, didn’t catch it lol) I have watched. Production was desperate for any type of drama/conflict/interest in these sheep they cast. Go back to the old days when the people who were cast were relatable & could be a neighbor. Regular folk without a SAG card. The rumor of med’evaced (sp?) players returning is true. The rumor of 3 tribes is true. So my guess is Russel Swan, a huge lover of the game, michael skupin, whose hands were almost burnt off & thanks to friggin Blossom I think that Clot will be back. You made this season so enjoyable, I hope it never feels like work. Thanks for all the laughs & rants, Lisa
Hi, Lisa
I hope C doesn’t come back. The sound of his voice makes me want to shove an ice pick into my ears.
Teresa’s blog is up. Typical 3 page ad for everything Teresa… she’s so amazing, you know. Through her ghost writer, Teresa addresses her relationship with her brother and mentions some scenes that Bravo cut out. We learn that JoGo was insane and scary and that Teresa never cries except over her brother… Oh Brother!
She goes on to talk about her ‘amazing’ husband… you know, the man’s man who hates to be on camera. I guess that’s her excuse for him sharing that he had to take a dump with the viewing audience. She goes on about her Joe and, for some unknown reasons, she takes a cheap shot at Simon. I guess it’s Teresa’s version of comedy… after all, she’s a NY Times Best Selling author who loves to dish on everyone. .
At this point, I’m done. Joe Guidice has her snowed with his B.S. Like JoeG said, it’s the life that she chose so I’m going to take his advice and turn off NJ and anything that has to do with the amazingly phony Teresa Guidice.
See you folks when RHONY starts and hope that it’s better than this trainwreck of a show.
Ugh, thanks for the warning. Haven’t read any blogs yet. Maybe I’ll check bsideblog first to get some laughs.
Anyone want to take bets on how many pages Wacky Jacky is going to need this week to obsess over Teresa?
All she talked about was a PIG and a book. After reading her blog she’s as insane as the pig really, the normal person would be thinking about gee how am I going to do damage control after the things he said about my brother and sister in law how am I going to do damage control on my actions but not this bitch, oh no a big Hell to the No she writes about how much she loves the Pig and he’s been the same way from the first day she met him. She’s freaking crazy.
** BTW if you click on that link to her book you can see the pictures and all the receipes, you can just print them out without having to buy the book, if theres anyone interested. I’m not I don’t cook..
I was aware that Dina and Caroline were not talking but I didn’t realize that Wacky Jacky was not on speaking terms with Dina as well. Does this all stem from the table flipping book reveal where St Caroline fell on her sword to save Dina?
I don’t know the whole story – I thought that it had something to do w/her not being able to have her daughter on the show, putting limits on her filming, Bravo not accepting her terms, she tried to hold out, Jackie and Caroline didn’t back her, she ended up parting ways w/Bravo and resented Jackie and Caroline for not backing her up.
I loved that L.C. So many explanations condensed into such a little space.
That’s what I thought too…
I’m sure there’s a lot of holes there…
That was what was reported locally as well-
that Dina was PO’d that Caroline and Jack
didn’t stand united with her against Bravo-
Apparently Danielle went to Dinas exs’
family and pointe out that Dina had forged
Lexi’s father’s signature on the first Bravo
contract. In retaliation he refused to allow
Lexi to film, and Dina lost her storyline.
Has anyone seen Dian’s new show? I heard it got renewed for another season. I thought it
was ok. kinda boring, but ok.
I didn’t know that Danielle was involved – she’s an excellent nemesis, isn’t she?
Yes Lady, if you like really really crazy people in your life. And mess makers that would sell their fambly members for fame and attention. Then she is an excellent nemesis. I really dislike people that spend a great opportunity flushing it down the toilet, and when all is in ruin, decide to take others down with them. Excellent is not a word I would use in the same sentence as Danielle. Bat Sh#t Crazy, maybe. LOL.
LC I’ve heard all those as well..
I have read somewhere that it stems from Dina being fired from the show. She wanted Caroline and Jacqueline to stand up for her and threaten to walk from the show if Bravo let her go and they wouldn’t. She stopped speaking to them after that. I am sure there is much more to it than that but I do remember reading something to that effect.
Hadn’t refreshed the page and see that LC basically had the same answer.
I thought it was all Teresa’s fault?
you gotta stop blaming Teresa for everything.
shame on you.
To funny NJBEV
Caroline said at the reunion that it was Jac, herself and all her kids that she wasn’t talking to didnt she?
This is my first time posting here, but I just can’t hold it in any longer. I am a major housewives fan, with New Jersey and Beverly Hills always being my favorites. But I think I am going to have to change that. I just can’t cope with NJ any longer. This entire season, and most of last season, are so anti-Teresa that I am fed up. I know she is imperfect, but seriously, this is going beyond anything I would call entertaining. Every episode is just a hate fest of Teresa, her husband, and kids. Teresa has always been my favorite, even though her husband is a joke. I can’t help but still defend her and hate those who are so cruel to her, even though I know Tre is far from perfect. I think Melissa is fake and Joe Gorga is soooo incredibly gross. The way Bravo is editing Teresa and making the whole show so brutal against her is not entertaining to me. It makes me sick. I honestly dont think I will watch another episode…..and that says a lot, because I watch ALL the Housewives religiously, even NY, which I was ready to forget until they dropped the red headed witch.
I know how you feel, I watch all of them and even though I really didn’t care one way or another about Teresa in the past I get so angry watching them all gang up on her everyshow that I’ve started blogging on here more and I’m even going onto the Bravo blogs and expressing my anger and disgust with each one of them in how they treat her and act in general. I need an intervenion fast! It’s going to be a long summer. These NY ladies are just as bad as the NY brunettes were. They see nothing wrong in how they act and in Caroline’s case seem proud of it and try to say Teresa is the only one at fault. And their’ husband wives are just as bad and JOey is the worst of all them as that is his sister. It would not surprise me in the end if he was insane and scary.
sorry I meant NJ women are just as bad as the NY brunettes
Nice post, glad you spoke up!
Welcome Angelina! The Teresa Bashing is terrible. Last week’s episode, I was all fired up, but this week was so sad and pitiful, and obviously planned for the cameras.
Hi Angelina,
Like you, I just can’t stand the whole bullying and ganging-up aspect of the whole show. Teresa needs help. She doesn’t need to be crucified. It’s like nobody else on the cast can keep Teresa’s name out of their mouths, and it’s constant negativity and jabs. When Season 4 was filming, she was having to see episodes of Season 3 and all of these nasty things being said about her. I think that would make the most even-tempered person hurt, angry, paranoid, etc. I would feel like I was in a pit full of vipers with no way out if I were her. And it would not necessarily lead to the best of behavior.
It’s all just so distasteful to me.
Oh I wouldn’t feel to bad for Teresa she has a certain fan base she’s able to sale her books and believe me she doesn’t really give a shit what anyone else has to say. Some people for what ever strange reason have fell in love with her wild disrespectible behavior. She’s on a reality show for crying out loud people post about how they feel about what they watch it’s that simple, if she wasn’t so disrespectible people would post about that, if she was skipping along the prairie side people would post about that.
I dont watch anymore either. I do love reading the blogs though. Time will tell if Tre and juicy make itbut i give her credit for pushing forward in the face of all adversity. Can you imagine adding divorce to all her issues. She puts up a happy front and that kills all of them. They wont be happy until she crashes and grovels. Do you think any of them could spin her mess into gold.
Posted upthread regarding Joey Gorga telling Melissa about Teresa’s comments about her.
I have no doubt that Joey Gorga told Melissa the same night that he heard it from Teresa. I am sure that Melissa real time reaction was nowhere as calm as it was in the recreated scene.
So there I stand, Joey told Melissa in front of the cameras but that was not the first time that Melissa heard that.
Melissa used this opportunity to be seen as the peacemaker willing to look past it and be the better person, except that she is not, this is what will be their story line for the rest of season 4
Melissa and Joe, unlike Teresa and Joe, are performing for the cameras, every conversation has been rehearsed, every combo pre planned, not only between them but also with Kathy and Richy, they figure that if they completely isolate Teresa and nobody wants to film with her, then she will have to be fired just like Danielle was.
In their crazy minds, they figure that all of them:Gorgas, Wakiles, Manzos, and Lauritas, can be one happy family once Teresa is out of the map.
More advertisment and business opportunities coming their way with Teresa gone.
They do not fool me for one second, this is not about family, this is not about friends, these is not about doing what is right, this is simply about money, money and fame.
JMO
right on. I agree with most things you post, you always seem to say what I am thinking but much better than I can express it. good job
Cartwheels,
This was perfectly stated! The Gorga, Wakile, Manzo clan are well rehearased and calculating…..too bad they are not convincing.
OMG
I agree. I don’t know, but, in my humble opinion, Teresa and Joe Giudice seem to be more “real” than the rest of them. Granted, oftentimes, their behavior is REAL bad, but I don’t buy for a minute this whole “perfect” Melissa and Joey. Melissa’s a snake if I ever saw one. She’s smarter than both Teresa and Joey combined. So, she’s able to manipulate Joey easily to get what she wants. And what she wants is Teresa’s “place” on the show, Teresa’s friends, Teresa’s fame, Teresa’s success and, basically, to see Teresa destroyed. It’s said to say, but I think her plan is working.
Caroline is filled with jealousy over Teresa’s sucess with certain ventures and angry that none of her own really seemed to get off the ground. I honestly think she thought her and her brood would be “the stars” of the show, and it would be the vehicle used to launch her 3 “perfect” kids’ business ventures. She’s pissed off and irritated that this hasn’t happened and that this “dummy” Teresa took away their “rightful” shine. Caroline is delusional about the appeal of her and her family.
Kathy is a bit envious that Teresa had success with a cookbook when Kathy feels that SHE is the much better cook. Subconsciously, I think she feels that she should be the one with the cookbook success, not Teresa. I also don’t understand why every other word out of Richie’s mouth is about Teresa. If that were my husband, I’d be giving him a bit of the “side-eye” (“…..Ummm….is there some particular reason you can’t keep my cousin’s name out of your mouth? If I didn’t know better, I’d think you were like the little boy in school who kept pinching her and pulling her pigtails to get her attention because you have a crush on her!”).
I do see some genuine goodness in Jacqueline, but she’s too wishy-washy and emotionally unstable. She has a pattern of emotional outbursts — usually on Twitter — where she slashes and burns a person with whom she once had a friendship. I could never trust her again. I would forgive here, wish her well from afar and move on if I were Teresa.
Knowing a little about Divas, Caroline to me is the biggest one on the show. I do believe that she is completely jealous of Teresa’s success. I do think that she doesn’t care for Teresa, which she is entitled to end any friendship she wants..but the viciousness at which she is attacking Teresa is uncalled for. I got pretty disgusted last night when I looked over at her blog where she kind of addressed the feedback she was getting from fans about her behavior. Instead of being the ‘mature, commonsense, mama manzo’ who gives such great advice (sarcasm). She defiantly said if I am a bully so be it. That one phrase completely showed me who she was…a know it all, diva control freak. Her behavior to me is the most sinister of them all.
Exactly. Her need to always be right is over the top. She’s very narrow minded and I just can’t stand people like that. All traits of bullies. As Teresa would say… if the shoe fits.
I don’t think that Caroline is jealous of Teresa at all I don’t see it. Caroline can’t stand her she’s told us that. I must of missed those attacks made on Teresa.
Teresa makes her bed.
Savannah, I am starting to think you may be blind to any attacks aimed at Teresa. That is your choice. No one is perfect on the show and Teresa does not deserved to be bullied. It is starting to sound a bit one note. Every week. Get Teresa Guidice! Over kill. She is not making a bed at this point. She reacting to mob type harassment not unlike a hostile work environment. I wonder how you would hold up in same situation? JMHO.
Cartwheels, when I see your name I think of Kelly…
Thats just your opinion? You have no proof thats like your trying to make a wrong right or something. I can’t follow any of what your saying if it’s just your opinion your making it sound like its beyond a shadow of a doubt when its just what you think. Let me ask you a question if you were Melissa and Joey would you film with her think about just the last 4 episodes ?? Teresa is NO victim she’s happy as a Pig in shit, and she’s married to one she’s good. And everything is just FINE…
We know this…this is not an opinion, this is out of the horse’s mouth (and no that isn’t meant to be a “Melissa is a horse face’ double entendre Melissa )
*Melissa Joey came home crying about the ‘rumor’.
*We saw Joey casually tell his wife while she was in the closest and she gave a nonchalant reaction.
One of them was a lie and one of them was the truth…but either way Melissa and/or Joe are lying about how and when it went down.
I don’t see their lies much different that Teresa’s everything is fine facade.
hey all,
I posted this way up top but wanted it to be down here so I’m going to try and repeat
it. sorry if you already read it!
We all have such strong opinions on these people and their situations because we can apply what they are going through to our own lives and situations. Often when reading someones post you’ll see someone say “I have a SIL just like Melissa and she is a snake
or “My husbands sister is just like Teresa and I can’t stand her or ” I work with someone just like so-in-so”– you get my drift.
Just as Lynn says this show is really all about family, and as convoluted and poisonous
as these families are, they really are Just like us-and however you fit in your own family dynamic you will see a little piece of your own life in the craziness that is the
Real Housewives of New Jersey. We all have a Melissa or a Teresa or a Caroline or Joe
in our lives somewhere …..
We base our opinions on these people however their situations apply to our own
lives. imo
Well said Bev and 100% spot on! (next part is my rant, not directed at your comment just what I find disturbing)
The thing I’m finding disturbing is the one sided anger. All parties should be held accountable. Joey gets slammed for calling Tre a bitch/garbage, Juicy gets slammed for calling Joey a lil bitch, Richie gets slammed for his remarks, yet Teresa walks away free and clear on her c u next Tuesday remark. They all are wrong, Teresa included. If Melissa would have said that remark this board would have exploded-kinda like it did when Simon and Alex said it about Luann or Jill called Alex an effing b. Why does Tre get a pass? I hope Tre’s cool with it when Melania busts out that word to her or one of her sisters. Melissa needs to own up to her high maintanence dig and if she said worse then that needs called out too. But this is two episodes in a row that Teresa has called her a profane/derogatory word and has got a pass on it. That’s wrong IMO.
Isn’t it amazing that we all watch the same exact footage
and see completely different things?? Actually, we all see
the same stuff, we just perceive it and process it differently–
AND we all react differently to what we watch.
I am just mystified at the variety of reactions and opinions!!
Some people seem to be offended by the sheer existence of
Melissa! (not unlike our dear Teresa) they just cannot stand
her and will find fault with the way she breaths. I think
these people are just better able to relate to Teresa in one
way or another. And vice-versa regarding Teresa.
In regards to the scene you’re talking about P-chick, I think
there was some bad editing done with regards to the
“fancy Margherita and regular Sangria” exchange—-
IMO–Teresa asks for a frozen Marg..(they did say they had
everything!) they start teasing b/c she asks for the one
thing they “don’t” have…I believe Rosie was making the
drinks, she probably teases Teresa(who was smiling)
“oh you gotta ask for the one thing I don’t have!!” and then
Melissa goes to pour herself some Sangria from the already made pitcher and she says something like”see, I’m easy, Ill
just have the Sangria. ((((I know someone will correct me
on what M. really did say-I’m just paraphrasing, ok?))))))))
I think the scene was edited to make M. look like she
was being passive-aggressive-
It was wrong and very ugly of Teresa to call M. the C. word.
So I completely agree with you-
She just had a horrible fight with her brother, she was mad
at her brother, and blamed it on Melissa.
Maybe something else happened in between that we didn’t
see, but I don’t care. not when it comes to the C-word.
No passes on that word.
Agree with you Bev, we let our own experiences “help” us judge these crazies. They are all badly behaved, some worse than others. Someone said upthread Melissa is “smarter than JoGo & Teresa combined” lol so true!! She was laughing at Teresa during their parking lot fight when Teresa was trying to say confidence, or some word…I felt so bad for Teresa. If Teresa could really get out what she feels, then maybe some progress could be made out of this mess. However, her parents will never accept Melissa & that is so sad. Juicy…omg he’s never going to change from his neanderthal ways!
how many times do you think she got
stopped in the lot by a producer, Blue?
Teresa hates Melissa. She can call this women whatever she wants. From episode to episode I see Teresa becoming more and more tire of the B.S. coming form her selfish cast mates. She has a right to say things out of anger to the person she blames for a lot of her troubles on the show.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Why is everyone acting like Teresa is the ONLY one behaving badly? Each and every last one of them bear responsibility for this mess. I hate unfairness, and that is just so unfair.
I’m not giving Teresa a pass at all but she’s the one that is standing alone and can’t win for losing with all of her “cast.” Therefore I say it the opposite way… why is Teresa the bad guy and they all think they can get a pass on their own behavior. It’s Teresa against them all… no one should get a pass but there’s no doubt about the fact that she’s being ganged up on. That’s all every one of them talks about… how horrible Teresa is. I’m just saying people in glass houses…
People in glass houses should not throw ham. Those Manzos are so witty.
I agree, we see these people through the reflections in our own lives. I guess that’s why I don’t understand Melissa thinking she’s HOT and beautiful and saintly…oh and humble. Humble???
There are so many excellent comments here, hope I’m not repeating what someone already wrote. RHONJ has definitely become very tension filled throughout all members households. Any “family event” or other gathering has resulted in a lot of nasty cattiness. While I do not agree with Teresa’s behavior and don’t believe a lot of it is because her English is not her “first language”, I do pity her to the extent that I get angry. She really doesn’t seem to ‘understand’ a lot of the conversation and has the tendency to do “well you started it (attitude), you did it first, you said it first” in a childish capacity. It does seem she has a heavy load on her shoulders with all going on in her household. I will not get started on Joe Giudice (uggh) as you all feel the same I do, but I do really hope things get better for her and she open her eyes. Some of you may not agree but I’m going to say it: her kids are out of control and brats!!! Maybe not their fault, but nevertheless it is what it is. That jerk belittles her and she feels need to defend or nervously laugh it off but you can see it bothers her. Who is she going to confide in??? You have non family members sticking their noses where it doesnt belong so it’s a nasty vicious cirlce.
It sucks that while yes, these folks choose to be on reality tv and have their life public, I dont’ think any of them (I’m probably wrong) really intends for so much negativity in their lives. Seriously….I believe there are some points off camera that some of these women not crying on screen, probably cry themselves to sleep but feel the need to maintain ‘tough girl’ image and it’s going all wrong..
All this of my blubbery, I am not defending any of these housewives as they do it all on their own
Hi Anna! Yes – the whole thing is pretty tragic and becoming increasingly disturbing to watch. Something’s gotta give…
Hoenstly, this quote:
“That jerk belittles her and she feels need to defend or nervously laugh it off but you can see it bothers her. Who is she going to confide in??? You have non family members sticking their noses where it doesnt belong so it’s a nasty vicious cirlce.”
is why I can’t hate Teresa, no matter how much dirt she’s done. The whole situation is just pathetic.
My sentiments exactly. The woman has enough to deal with at home, without having a gang of people — the majority of which are her own family members — constantly on her case. I just really wish someone could make Teresa see that she does NOT have to put up with verbal abuse from her hsband and the fallout from his constant shenanigans and failures. It’s sad, but I think she feels that — outside of her parents — Joe is the only one on her side when, in actuality, he’s the root of a lot of her problems.
I don’t feel her kidz are out of control brats, I have 8 grandkidz and 15 great-grandkidz, depending on what they ate and the time of day, kidz will be kidz. At least they aren’t sneaky.
Yeppers. My oldest bro has three sons. One is outgoing, one is studious and quiet, and the youngest is a total brat. It has nothing to do with their parents.
Do you really think ALL her kids are brats? Milania is a little terrorist but she also says the darndest things that I can’t help but think she’s funny as he!!. I wouldn’t call Gia a brat, I think she’s had to grow up quickly… she’s 11 going on 35. Gabriella is as quiet as a church mouse. I would never consider her a brat… not from what we see anyway. The little one is always being tortured by Milania… I don’t see her as a brat either. But many of us see things differently and you’re certainly entitled to your opinion.
I stand correct,they are not all brats, gia is suffering clearly n yes Gabriela is quiet (barely ever seen),and the Lil one is lil.but i do believe there is something so wrong for the behavior.while some of the stuff is funny as out of the mouth of babes, I rarely see any positive discussion from Teresa or Joe to let girls know it is unacceptable behavior. I am a mom n grandma,but if I see wrong then we talk. I do not throw my hands in air or smile it off…
Good for you. I firmly believe it takes a village especially when so many parents are over worked and stressed out. Loving brings with it responsibilities imo.
I’m seeing more aggression from Gia this season – signs of problems are emerging in her.
I agree, the only one who I see as wild is Milania. Granted, it’s funny as all heck some of the stuff that comes out of her mouth but at the same time, she does need to be reigned in. Someone simply just can not walk around and punch guys in the nuts, even if their last name is Manzo. My oldest kid of reminds me of Miliana a bit except I can usually reign mine in and discipline her when a line has been crossed. I think the problem with Miliana is, she seems to get away with it.
I think Gia is a bit spoiled but at the same time is seems to be a pretty good kid who helps talk care of her little sisters.
Well Milania grabbed Albies balls didn’t she? We know where she got that from.
MTH!!!!! – I knew Kim would win, and I am sorry that you had no ketchup!!! as for the three returning players that were eliminated due to accidents/illness for the next go round, Colton is not one of them -Mike Skupin – he was burned on his season and had to be evacuated – is one of them – if I hear about the other two I will post them –
I was glad that Kim won as I felt that she was the only one who actually played the game, but I have heard that she stays in regular touch with Alicia so that was a disappointment to me – she has no business teaching any children let alone those with special needs – shame on her –
Kat was a surprise to me – she seemed so much mature at the final council, and she just may have helped Kim win –
aboslutely no comment on NJ – just – none -
That’s good to know if true. I don’t think I could stand watching him again. Once was enough.
Well after today, I am going back to not commenting on NJ, I am not even watching the show, as I pretty much hate all of this cast, and just reading the blog and it makes me so angry at these folks. I have disliked Teresa from day one, she has zero redeeming qualities and has gotten worse season by season, and I hope her children don’t suffer permanent damage for everything she is doing to ruin their lives by showing this ugliness and her husband’s criminal activites on television.
“I hope her children don’t suffer permanent damage for everything she is doing to ruin their lives by showing this ugliness”… (and her husband’s criminal activites on television.)
Can’t we say that about all of these housewives and their kids? Or most anyway. I do agree that this kind of life (reality television) is awful hard on these kids… even the older ones.
T-REX I also have not liked Teresa since the beginning. The only thing I have to go by is the way she lives her life on a reality TV show and I form an opinion based on what I see on the screen. Unfortunately I bet she’s already having some problems with her kids. I wouldn’t let my kids go over and play and be around Teresa and the Thing no way. Not the way they talk not with a chance that her husband might be drinking.
I don’t understand why people are calling Joey and Melissa out for their ‘phony’ scene and reaction to hearing that Teresa insulted Melissa’s faithfulness to her husband last episode. Of course, that wasn’t the first time they discussed Teresa and Joey’s conversation.
Just like last on last night’s show, it wasn’t the first time Teresa and Joe discussed the Solstice party, it wasn’t the first time Kathy and Richie discussed it and it wasn’t the first time Melissa and Joey discussed it! So, if posters are going to call out Melissa for her ‘fake’ scene hearing about Teresa’s rumor-spreading then say the same thing about every cast member. There are a lot of things that have to be discussed on camera that have already been discussed off-screen. They are on a TV show and that’s the nature of the beast. People are hypocrites though for only calling out one couple or one side when there were three couples shown on the show last night ‘reacting’ to news as though it was the first time they discussed it, when, in fact, it was not the first time any of them discussed it.
Amen.
Yell it from the rooftops!
Virtually every scene on these shows is re-enacted for the
cameras. bethenny told us that during season 2, I believe.
that’s why I don’t trust Bravo or the characters on the shows! They are hinting in their blogs (Mel & T) that things will get better. lol, the old “watch what happens” sh*t.
I get a kick out of Milania, can’t wait to see what she’s like as a teenager!
Teresa is learning, in the “shuddup & listen” video Lynn posted, she realizes that she can’t discuss everything with Juicy because he just tells her to STFU. I think that’s why she goes to her brother, who used to be her stand up guy until Melissa came along. It must terrify Teresa that if she can’t talk to Joey, all she’s got left is her neanderthal husband to talk to.
Teresa should be talking to her husband about her husband, but then again he would just tell her to STFU and she seems to follow his orders. OMG what a pig he is.
Wasn’t it brought up in a Sonja insight that the housewives practice scenes and save certain info for the show? So it shouldn’t be a shock that Melissa and Joey did it when it’s a company wide practice.
plus the producers are constantly after them, amping up the volume & fights. How many times did Teresa try to leave that restaurant….before fighting with Melissa in the parking lot? Teresa also said her conversation with Joey at Kathy’s pool party was a lot longer, & more violent than what they showed. They tape what a hundred hours to get what we see for one hour….who knows. Really tells you what kind of people want to be on this show. Narcissism required!
With Teresa and Joey it’s a bit different because they are family! Who wants to crucify their family on television. I can understand re-conversing so that things make sense to the viewers but that particular scene was done with nothing but malice… from a brother to a sister. I think that’s why people find it especially distasteful.
MTH, great Survivor recap. Loved your little insert when Aubrey was fired on CA
When I was watching CA late last night I wanted to come on here and shout from the rooftops that she was G.O.N.E!
BB, thanks for the CA recap. Can’t wait to see who wins. I really wanted both Clay and Arsenio to make it to the final 2. Regardless of how hard working a person is, you also have to be likeable and work well with others and neither Lisa or Aubrey were team players. Not to mention now emotional they both became. We all have our moments, but they seemed to cry way too often in a professional setting.
Thank you Lynn, I thought today’s blog was on target. I can see your putting an effort to remain neutral. One topic I wanted to discuss was Richie. He makes sarcastic, demeaning, negative comments about Teresa constantly, but Joe Giudice is criticized when he does the same thing. And another thing, why did Teresa’s brother decided this day to have a TALK? Just let the kids play and have a good time. I noticed Melissa lurking in the background.
Well, I have never found Richie amusing. He is one of those guys who says nasty things about someone and then pretends it was a joke. And Kathy doesn’t say anything! He is creepy.
The producers have to keep the drama going, and follow their “storyline.” I’ll bet without RHONJ these Gorgiudices might be getting along so much better.
I just had a thought.
Remember when Teresa told her brother that M. would leave for a richer, better
man? (i mean seriously, how could we forget?)
What would happen if Teresa met a much more successful, attractive man, who didn’t
care that she had 4 little girls, and promised to love and protect and to GIVE her
EVERYTHING she ever wanted??(after all, she is a great wife and she is very attractive-it could happen!!)
Would she stay or would she go?????
Hi NJBev,
I don’t think she’s going anywhere. I truly believe they really love each other.
That said doesn’t mean I would stay in that kind of marriage. Lucky for me George treats me well.
oddly I think she would stay – but more because of her heritage and the way she was raised – that and her children – she may love her Juicy, but it would not be the only reason she would stay – not even in the top three – I just don’t see her walking out ever – the only thing that she might leave him over is if he was ever physically abusive to the kids – that might make her go – or it might make her kill him – ………
Seriously I can see her getting enraged enough to get into a very physical fight…her rage when she flipped the table, & when she threw Andy aside was scary.
I don’t think she will ever leave Juicy because he’s the father of her 4 kids, and she wants that dream of raising them together in a “happy family.” Sad for the girls. I don’t think he would ever harm them physically. The thing is, her girls may end up with similar crappy husbands like their father because it is what they see their mother accepting. I do think Gia will figure it out, she seems bright.
What could a richer man possibly offer her that she doesn’t already have???
For one, no amount of money can replace the father of your children….EVER. Even if Joe Guidice seems rough around the edges, there is no question he loves his children.
She is making her own money, is the star of a very successful TV show, lives in a beautiful home, drives a luxury vehicle, takes nice vacations. She seems to have a very nice lifestyle. I don’t see how a rich man could offer her anything better than she has.
She is her own woman and that is a feeling no rich man could ever fill.
Teresa doesn’t want another man- she just wants her fambly
HI OMIB,
Did you see that contraption Joe was in while Teresa was trying to talk to him while in their bedroom? (it was a machine that makes one do the splits) Talk about S & M. What’s weird is that Joey has a this weird thing about doing the splits. He did it on WWHL. Creepy.
Is that what that was? I didn’t know what he was doing. Stru-ange….
Manly men!
Joe Gui did the splits too.
Do you know ANY man who will admit to doing splits? Me neither.
KG,
I have been thinking about you a lot lately.
Great to see you back.
Only figure skaters.
Hockey goalies
And just what was that sex contraption he was sitting in when they were talking in the bed room.
Look upthread. I asked the same question. I thought the board was going to go crazy last night but no one brought it up. Too bad you weren’t live chatting. We could have had some fun.
BTW…The Kings won last night!!!
I got to get me some direct TV
Yep!
Men into martial arts with training. while I can’t speak for in their homes, I knew/know quite a few guys who have used that machine. Heck as a kid (8-14) I used one of those machines 2-3 times a week at karate lessons. It was part of our warm up and everyone (grown men included did it). For the life of me no clue why it’s in his bedroom and not gym/garage. Ugh I feel sick as I think I just defended Notsojuicy a lil.
Lol! Thanks for the explanation.
Thanks emt. We didn’t have that machine in the skating world.
I wish we had.
Nancy, it’s never too late! Hey, I’m just pulling your leg lol
I’m not convinced their lives are not just a shell too.
Who really knows what goes on behind closed doors in a marriage.
One thing that stands out to me in the Melissa vs Teresa war is the type of business ventures they have chosen to pursue. Teresa is selling cookbooks and going to book signings and Melissa wants to be a pop star and is performing at night clubs. I just don’t think clubbing and the party scene is an appropriate place for a mother of 3 children to be spending her time. It says something about the type of people they both are.
Although I don’t think Teresa was able to articulate it very well, her point about Melissa hanging out in night clubs and the people she would expose herself to is a very good one. What man wants his wife going to those kinds of places at Melissa’s age? Not many I can think of. I do think Teresa was concerned for her brother and his marriage and it all just got twisted into the mess that it is.
Very well said. ITA with you.
I’ve read on other blogs that this is why JoGo is with her at every club (mostly gay clubs – should be no worries for M there but for JoGo maybe M should be worried lol).
LOL good point.
I would drive all the way from Louisiana to help Teresa pack her bags. Hell, I’d even babysit so she and her new man could have a few nights on the town. Milania would probably murder me, but….whatevs.
Don’t worry I’ll come along.
Good. I could use the backup! ROAD TRIP!!
May I bring Emily and the cats? One thing I do
not like about Teresa is the way she (they) treat their animals.
I’m coming, too-
I’d do anything to set her free of him.
But I won’t bring the dog-God only
knows what Milania would do to a little dog-
Great point. I think I’ll leave my little “darlings” at home as well.
Your 2nd favorite team is playing in a few mins. I want them to win.
Go NJ Devils!!
My husband is so excited.
He wants the Kings to play
either NY or NJ. He is so
happy for our friend-
he’s been with the team for
quite a while-he left a very
lucrative job(agent) when
he took the Kings job,
commutes from San Diego and makes 1/2 the
salary he used to!
So, it’s just so nice to see
him and his team succeed.
That’s why you want the Kings to win. Now it all makes sense.
The LA Kings are the reason we moved down here from Canada.
hi everyone – i hope u r having a nice day.
i am trying not to read about CA, so i havent even read the blog. can u guys tell me here ig last night was the finale or if it was stretched to next week. i dont want to look for the info anywhere else either so that i dont accidently read who goes home. i watched last week…so i know who the last 3 r.
i did read Melania’s twits – OMG!!!
who is she, my goodness she is so funny and on the money 
Hi Calif,
No it did NOT end last night.
ah! good thank you
i will b watching it tonight.
oops posted in the wrong place. I meant to put it down here!
Knowing a little about Divas, Caroline to me is the biggest one on the show. I do believe that she is completely jealous of Teresa’s success. I do think that she doesn’t care for Teresa, which she is entitled to end any friendship she wants..but the viciousness at which she is attacking Teresa is uncalled for. I got pretty disgusted last night when I looked over at her blog where she kind of addressed the feedback she was getting from fans about her behavior. Instead of being the ‘mature, commonsense, mama manzo’ who gives such great advice (sarcasm). She defiantly said if I am a bully so be it. That one phrase completely showed me who she was…a know it all, diva control freak. Her behavior to me is the most sinister of them all.
She’s up there with Jill Zarin. I’m not sure who I “hate” more.
I hate Taylor more than any of them. She’s in a league of her own and that’s saying something when you’re talking about housewives. So many of them to hate.
“Taylor” is a sociopath.
Another thing I was thinking about is does Caroline have any friends? I know we only see her relationships on the show but it just seems like she has no real friendships outside the show. Maybe that’s why she is struggling with her empty nest syndrome….she has no other outlet or friends to enjoy life with. She seems like a very hard woman to like with her my way or the highway attitude.
I am so dissapointed with her as much as I was with JZ.
Like you said if she was so hurt that she couldn’t forgive and forget Teresa’s abominable offenses in the book, she could at least have stayed imparcial.
She has made me rethink my stance even on Danielle. I always thought that Danielle must have done something very horrible behind scenes and always believed Caroline’s claims that “read between the lines” and “I know better” blah, blah, blah.
She has made me think that Danielle, who I once thought was a complete loon, was just a very lonely and misunderstood lady albeit paranoic and loony, Caroline was a bully and she used everything that she got in her power to hit her like a freight train. I think that Caroline is like a very spoiled child, if she doesn’t get her way you better watch out.
I think that during Season 1 Teresa was one of Caroline’s peons, maybe an unwilling and wild horse type. I don’t think that Caroline thought that Teresa would flip the table, but she sure enjoyed it , there was nothing that Teresa could do wrong in her eyes back then.
Amazingly during season 1 and 2, when Teresa was the closest to Caroline, I couldn’t stand Teresa, I thought she was frivolous, materialistic, shallow and all negative connotations that you can think of.
Teresa has many negative qualities, there is not doubt about it, but one thing I can’t take away from her is that when I heard about all her bankrupcies, I thought that was it that she was going to be done, I was surprised by her indomitable spirit and how, maybe behind doors she put herself to sleep crying every night, but during the day she goes and does whatever need to be done to provide for her family.
I wish Teresa would kick Joe to the curb, God knows that jerk doesn’t deserve her and nobody would blame her for it, but I am positive she would not.
I have gone from despising her to respecting her , now even more because she has done all this with no help from her family (Joey and Kathy) or her friends (Caroline and Jacqueline) who anybody would have thought would be there to help her every step of the way while navigating through the murky waters of financial bankrupcy.
Teresa has surprised me , Is she perfect? NO. Does she speak with both sides of her mouth? Very often. Does she love and is loyal to a fault? Unfortunately , yes.
I never figure me writing a post to say anything positive about her and here I am. I have never made any secret of loving strong women, I never thought of Teresa as one of them, but in her own way she is. I can’t even think about myself going through all this financial mess and geting out of bed every morning pretending that every thing is okay, but I can see that she is doing this not so much for Joe but for her girls, and that determination is admirable.
JMO
Each week my respect for Teresa increase. She knows more about family, marriage and loyalty than Caroline could ever bs her way through.
agree, I have alot of respect for how she is handling all her problems too. I think she is 100x’s the woman Caroline is and the others too. I also wonder if some of the things we hear coming out of Joe G’s mouth about the others doesn’t have to do with the way he sees the other women treating his wife. I’m trying to think back to the first 2 seasons if he talked about any of the other women like that. We know he was rude about Melissa and Kathy last year but we also know why they came on the show, to take Tre down. Might have something to do with how he talks about them.
Very well said and I agree completely. I’ve never liked Caroline. She always seemed like a holier than thou type… thinks her you know what doesn’t stink. Never understood her appeal and she’s only gotten worse as time has gone on.
Does anyone know if BLK is selling well in Canada?
Can we get it here in the states?
Well said Cartwheels – indominatable spirit.
I agree. What a great post CartWheels!
Excellent post!
oh my God.
Basketball wives is on again—
Tami is the most effed up A$$hole in the world.
I decided to boycott after the last episode. That’s another show that either needs to be cancelled altogether or revamped (Keep Royce, Kesha and Jen and get rid of those other crazies). I hate that THIS is the image of African-American/minority women going out to the world.
I miss Claire Huxtable.
Detox,
Tonight’s episode of BBW was just disgusting. I can’t even believe i once liked Tammy. I just wanted to reach into my television and give Keisha a hug…..even Evelyn was crying (well she do anything to help….but i digress). It was just awful.
True. Hey Tami we’re talkin’ about you behind your back. lol
ROFLMAO
LOL
How does everyone think Teresa did on CA? Sure she had some tongue – tied moments in the boardroom, but she lasted way longer than I ever thought she would. It looks like she’s made some friends too. Arsenio seems to really like her, and some others. I hope the experience of being on CA has shown her that she should be treated better by her husband. Not just because she’s making money, but because he should treat all women, and especially his wife with respect. In my dreams, of course she dumps him! But maybe Juicy will treat her better now with all her success. What we are watching on RHONJ was filmed at least 6 months before CA. She does sound wiser in her blogs, except that she doesn’t find her husband’s behavior on RHONJ objectionable. Wake up T!!!
She did a lot better than I thought she would. However, she does have problems expressing herself. I do think part of that, not all, but part of it has to do with English not being her first language. It doesn’t help anyway. Hope she saw Lisa L for what she is and didn’t take her comments to heart. It’s the last thing she needs right now. Aubrey made some nasty comments too and I think Teresa really thought they were friends. For that reason alone I could never do reality tv… I would feel awful saying things about people that I would never say to their faces.
I want so bad for Teresa to tell Joe “You are fired” “Get the hell out of the house”, OMG, I know is bad but I would not blame her.
Unfortunately Teresa is very old school and she won’t kick him out unless there is evidence that he cheats on her, I don’t think she will leave him even if he goes to jail, she will wait for him
Maybe things are betting between them when the cameras aren’t there. You can always tell he doesn’t want to be filmed.
It doesn’t excuse his behavior but…
better
I’ve been reading your comments about Teresa’s English not being her Mother Language… I have several nephews and nieces born in foreign Countries and being perfectly bilingual and multilingual… I found this article in Wikipedia Ask.Com
“Some children learn more than one language from birth or from a very young age: they are bilingual or multilingual. These children can be said to have two, three or more mother tongues: neither language is foreign to that child, even if one language is a foreign language for the vast majority of people in the child’s birth country. For example, a child learning English from her English father and Japanese at school in Japan can speak both English and Japanese, but neither is a foreign language to her.”
Hi Cusi,
My friends adopted a little girl from China 6 years ago. Her daddy only speaks english to her while her mother only speaks french to her. It’s funny to see peoples reaction to all of this when we are out in the public together.
But you are right. She speaks both languages perfectly.
Yes. I am not a Neurologist but probably T has some kind of dyslexia… Adam Corolla said something like “Teresa is Naive… even if she doesn’t know what that means” …Lol.
Reason for which my respect for her trying to pull her family ahead after such a tremendous financial disaster… self inflicted, but a disaster none the less
It’s very hard to watch. Teresa is trying to keep it together. I feel for her.
Cusi,
I think Teresa suffers from a learning disability that was not noticed or treated when she was a kid.
You are right VV, I agree… some kind of speech disability, even though I know nothing!Lol!
My mother didn’t speak any English until it was taught to her in first grade. She doesn’t have any problems expressing herself. She is extremely kind and would never speak to people the way Teresa does.
I think Teresa grew up spoiled by her parents and probably very popular in school, and didn’t bother paying too much attention in her English classes. If her parents wanted her to grow up a housewife, they may not have pushed for stellar grades.
I recall when the NJHW’s went to Italy and Teresa was asking constantly to JoeGi “Come si dice” which means “How do you say?” , that means to me that her Italian is not that fluent than JoeGiu and JoeGo. IMO.
My MIL doesn’t like how Teresa speaks Italian. I guess they call it dialect. DH’s mom was born in Italy and came to the US when she was 11 or 12 and said she was taught to speak “proper Italian”.
Just seeing NJ episode now…why does everyone keep pushing Teresa into talking to her brother and sister-inlaw and then say they dont want to get in the middle. Kathy at her pool party-Jac at the solstice party. Perhaps they know if not for the family feud their boring lives would be on display??? That crap with Caroline and Albert was the most boring 2 minutes of TV and Jac skyping with Ashley was annoying!!!!!
Because if not they would have to talk about their own issues?
The producers have to keep their high-paying jobs somehow~~
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